the principle remains:
there is no truth in Satan.
mankind does not become like God by comitting sin, and God did not withhold goodness from Adam and Woman.
your position on Genesis 3 is popular but completely incorrect.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil
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the principle remains:
there is no truth in Satan.
mankind does not become like God by comitting sin, and God did not withhold goodness from Adam and Woman.
your position on Genesis 3 is popular but completely incorrect.
what proceeds out of the mouth of the Serpent is not meant for life: he is a murderer from the beginning says the Lord, and there is no truth in him
i don't know what in the world you think this has to do with whether Satan is telling the truth or not?
Genesis 2:9
The tree of life [was] also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:12
I ate.
Genesis 3:22
And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat
they clearly knew the difference between good and evil before Woman fell and Adam chose sin.
- there is no basis for them to obey God if they had no concept of whether it is good to obey and bad to disobey, whether God is good or not
- God's command to them carried the warning they would be dying if they ate of the tree, which is utterly worthless as an admonishion if they did not understand life is good and death is bad
- Adam chose names for every animal, displaying the capability to discern between a good name and a bad name, making appropriate free will choices
- Adam was told he could freely eat from the garden, implying the ability to make choices on the basis of value and desire, which are impossible concepts if one knows no difference between good and not good
- Woman saw the fruit was good before she ate it, clearly having a concept of good and not good
- Woman told Satan they must not eat from the tree, demonstrating she knew it was "evil" to do so
- Satans argument to her, deceiving her, pivots on the accusation that God had lied saying evil would befall them and was withholding something good from them. Without a basic concept of right and wrong, good and bad, this is falling on deaf ears and would be utterly meaningless to Woman. his central argument is that God is evil and mankind can gain good by rejecting Him. this necessarily requires a concept of good and evil to be persuasive
their eyes were opened.
it is their shame they saw, and before they sinned, they had nothing before God to be ashamed of - nothing they had any reason to wish they could hide.
Well, it is written that those who are of the devil will do the lusts of their father. And of course one could infer by implication that their lusts would be to make and loveth lies.
So is Satan a spirit?
Would you care to show where Christ said that? ( I presume you are referring unto John 8:44)
While a general statement, the fact that a person lies does not infer they don't know the the truth, they know they are lying in most cases but there are other times where a person can be saying something they believe is true but it is isn't since there is one thing they lack.
However, speaking of his own would suggest his own truth, seeing that most people speak in their own native tongue. It isn't the tongue that person speaks in that makes the words true or not.
So if there is no truth in him, do you think Satan is capable of giving good gifts to his children like say, the truth?
John 8:44
He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Well no, but then again I don't believe evil people know how to give good gifts to their children either. But if those whose father is the devil, which again I presume in John 8:44 is referring unto the one you call 'Satan', then if Satan's children know how to give gifts to their children then they must not be evil.
Do you think evil people know how to give good gifts to their children?
Matthew 7:11
you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children
if anyone does not believe Christ then it isn't any wonder they have Genesis 3 wrong.
I don't expect a evil person to teach their children to tell the truth and I don't expect a someone who is a liar to speak the truth, or acknowledge it either.
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? Matt 12:34
I agree. If any one does not do what Christ says then it isn't any wonder they would lie to be right.
then why on earth would you believe and teach that Satan taught Woman anything good or true?
she herself condemned him, saying he deceived her - i.e. lied to her - and God cursed him for it.
1. I haven't described the serpent in Genesis 3 using the term 'Satan' one time in our discussion.
2. As I previously expressed , I don't expect a someone who is a liar to speak the truth, or acknowledge it either.
3. If you believe in the Lamb's book of life then have you ever considered that the serpent might have been the tree of knowledge of good and evil since the written spoken word wasn't given until the days of Moses.
To answer your question, your belief in Satan is the reason your are not in the garden.
Revelation 12: “So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Genesis 3: ”Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.“
The “serpent” is the devil, the dragon, Satan.
Genesis 3: ”Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.“
The “serpent” is the devil, the dragon, Satan.
Cast out of what? Heaven, right? That is why Jesus said , if ye being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask.
i already know about your heretical beliefs, and reject them.
but the primary thing here i want you to learn is that Adam did not become like God by sin, but by believing the gospel and acting on it.
He changed Woman's name to Eve. then, God covered them with a garment not made by human hands with the shedding of innocent blood. it was at this moment He said BEHOLD Adam had become like one of us
why do you suppose He said that at that moment, not sooner, not later?
Who was He talking to and why would He say that to them?
heresy can't cogently answer that, but orthodoxy can. it's something church leaders think we are too stupid to be able to understand, and maybe they are right.
The tree of good and evil was created for people. God knew in advance what was going to happen and did it anyway. He must know a greater good would come from it.
Adam and eve (like us) are little gods and therefore able to choose for themselves. Unlike an animal say. They were the smartest humans that every existed. Despite this they choose to disobey.... for wisdom.
They had abundance... every tree but one to pick from. They could have anything they wanted, such as a God of abundance can provide. They acted entitled and did as they want.
Still...God allowed them to "take their inheritance" as in the world and animals. This is the parable of the prodigal son. He removed the "tree of life" bc then sin would live on forever and we would be away from God for eternity.
It is a difficult and unfair at times world to manage. Yet...God says he is always working everything for our greater good... so that is what I believe.
Adam and eve (like us) are little gods and therefore able to choose for themselves. Unlike an animal say. They were the smartest humans that every existed. Despite this they choose to disobey.... for wisdom.
They had abundance... every tree but one to pick from. They could have anything they wanted, such as a God of abundance can provide. They acted entitled and did as they want.
Still...God allowed them to "take their inheritance" as in the world and animals. This is the parable of the prodigal son. He removed the "tree of life" bc then sin would live on forever and we would be away from God for eternity.
It is a difficult and unfair at times world to manage. Yet...God says he is always working everything for our greater good... so that is what I believe.