Creation reveals the glory and wisdom of God

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,778
113
#1
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (Rom 1:20)

It would appear that most people (including many Christians) do not really meditate on the marvels of God’s creation. But one when thinks about everything that God has made, and presently exists all over the world, one is awestruck by the “genius” of God and Christ (who was designated by God the Father to be the Creator of the universe). He is both Creator and Redeemer.

One simply has to look at the amazing varieties of all the species in the animal and vegetable kingdom, including birds, butterflies, bees, and bacteria. One simply has to ponder on the marvelous creation of the human body in all its intricate features and functions. And then we have the beauties of nature, in the mountains, forest, lakes, and streams. As well as the oceans, and the huge variety of creatures and species that live in them.

What God has also done in create every creature for the particular environment in which it is found, and thrives. And the way that the varieties of horses and other intelligent creatures exist. The intelligence of horses and many other creatures is quite remarkable. But then the Bible tells us that God made the ostrich to lack any intelligence. But all creatures have been given instincts to live and survive and reproduce, so they do exactly what they are supposed to do instinctively.

When we think of the plant kingdom, and the huge variety of trees, shrubs, medicinal plants, flowers, fruit trees, and trees producing sap and syrup, it boggles the mind. Then the way God has given both mankind and other creatures fruits, vegetables, berries, and all kinds of trees to sustain humans, animal and birds, that reveals the wisdom of God. And every species in the plant kingdom is perfectly suited for is particular environment. Only God could make all this happen by simply speaking, and creating all things out of nothing.

None of the above tells us about the laws of nature embedded into creation, and the mathematics that govern all created things with mathematical precision. God is the Great Mathematician (among other things).

Then we come to the intelligence of mankind, and that certain people have been endowed with genius, including child prodigies. Everything discovered and created by man. in accordance with the natural laws which exists, is in itself amazing. But the sinful nature of mankind has perverted science in order to maim, destroy, and kill.

When we come to the spirit realm (the most important of all realms), only human beings have been given spirits. But because of the Fall, all natural humans have “dead” spirits, and only those who have been supernaturally regenerated have spirits which are alive to God and to His written Word.

And thus we come to the Holy Bible, which is direct divine revelation given to apostles and prophets. It is not only a written Word, but it is
Quick (alive), and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.(Heb 4:12, 13)

The ultimate purpose of the Bible is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ as both God and Savior, and to present His finished work in His sufferings, His death, His burial, and His resurrection. But we should not forget His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and His present divine ministry as High Priest, Mediator, and Advocate. God wants all mankind to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of His truth. And so He presents Christ throughout the Bible, particularly in the New Testament. And the way of salvation by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption.


But those who reject the Gospel and reject Christ will face Him as the Supreme Judge. Thus God now commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:3o)
 

studentoftheword

Well-known member
Nov 12, 2021
1,747
609
113
#2
Creation reveals ---
God is the source of life
God who creates something out of nothing ---
A God of Order and Beauty
God's nature
A God Who is a Person and Personal who wants to be known and have fellowship
 
#3
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (Rom 1:20)

It would appear that most people (including many Christians) do not really meditate on the marvels of God’s creation. But one when thinks about everything that God has made, and presently exists all over the world, one is awestruck by the “genius” of God and Christ (who was designated by God the Father to be the Creator of the universe). He is both Creator and Redeemer.

One simply has to look at the amazing varieties of all the species in the animal and vegetable kingdom, including birds, butterflies, bees, and bacteria. One simply has to ponder on the marvelous creation of the human body in all its intricate features and functions. And then we have the beauties of nature, in the mountains, forest, lakes, and streams. As well as the oceans, and the huge variety of creatures and species that live in them.

What God has also done in create every creature for the particular environment in which it is found, and thrives. And the way that the varieties of horses and other intelligent creatures exist. The intelligence of horses and many other creatures is quite remarkable. But then the Bible tells us that God made the ostrich to lack any intelligence. But all creatures have been given instincts to live and survive and reproduce, so they do exactly what they are supposed to do instinctively.

When we think of the plant kingdom, and the huge variety of trees, shrubs, medicinal plants, flowers, fruit trees, and trees producing sap and syrup, it boggles the mind. Then the way God has given both mankind and other creatures fruits, vegetables, berries, and all kinds of trees to sustain humans, animal and birds, that reveals the wisdom of God. And every species in the plant kingdom is perfectly suited for is particular environment. Only God could make all this happen by simply speaking, and creating all things out of nothing.

None of the above tells us about the laws of nature embedded into creation, and the mathematics that govern all created things with mathematical precision. God is the Great Mathematician (among other things).

Then we come to the intelligence of mankind, and that certain people have been endowed with genius, including child prodigies. Everything discovered and created by man. in accordance with the natural laws which exists, is in itself amazing. But the sinful nature of mankind has perverted science in order to maim, destroy, and kill.

When we come to the spirit realm (the most important of all realms), only human beings have been given spirits. But because of the Fall, all natural humans have “dead” spirits, and only those who have been supernaturally regenerated have spirits which are alive to God and to His written Word.

And thus we come to the Holy Bible, which is direct divine revelation given to apostles and prophets. It is not only a written Word, but it is Quick (alive), and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.(Heb 4:12, 13)

The ultimate purpose of the Bible is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ as both God and Savior, and to present His finished work in His sufferings, His death, His burial, and His resurrection. But we should not forget His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and His present divine ministry as High Priest, Mediator, and Advocate. God wants all mankind to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of His truth. And so He presents Christ throughout the Bible, particularly in the New Testament. And the way of salvation by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption.

But those who reject the Gospel and reject Christ will face Him as the Supreme Judge. Thus God now commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:3o)
Here Nehemiah does not actually prresent the real gospel of the kingdom.
Instead as we suspected, he presents a man centered DIY form of it.
He presents a Saviour who has done all He can do, but He cannot save unless man does something
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,778
113
#4
Here Nehemiah does not actually prresent the real gospel of the kingdom.
Are you stupid or something? This OP was not meant to refute your nonsense. Go back to that thread and see what I actually posted!

I have already explained the biblical Gospel many times, but you have probably ignored my posts.

So rather than "explain" the biblical Gospel, I will give you the authoritative words of the Lord Jesus Christ, to set you (and other Calvinists) straight. And pay close attention to John 3:17, since that ONE verse totally demolishes TULIP:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everyone agrees, including Strong's and Thayer's that the Greek word for world here --kosmos -- means the whole world of humanity. Which means that Christ (and even John Calvin in his Commentary) is flatly telling you that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit will draw ALL MEN to themselves.

Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος
κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )): Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above)
Apparently Thayer carefully avoided John 3:16,17 since he may have been a Calvinist.
But John Calvin set him straight long before Thayer.

Calvin's Commentary on Bible Hub
v 16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish... [TAKE CAREFUL NOTE]

v 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world. It is a confirmation of the preceding statement; for it was not in vain that God sent his own Son to us. He came not to destroy; and therefore it follows, that it is the peculiar office of the Son of God, that all who believe may obtain salvation by him. There is now no reason why any man should be in a state of hesitation, or of distressing anxiety, as to the manner in which he may escape death, when we believe that it was the purpose of God that Christ should deliver us from it. The word world is again repeated, that no man may think himself wholly excluded, if he only keep the road of faith.
 
Oct 9, 2021
881
291
63
#5
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Creation testifies of a higher power, and of His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and testifies of the 2 greatest laws, love God, and love people, so there is no excuse for not complying with that.

Which the theme of the Bible is love God, and love people.

Creation alone will judge mankind, and the Bible gives us help, and more understanding to come to the truth giving us more of an advantage especially if we receive the Spirit to help us to love which love is the fulfilling of the law.

That is how the world will be judged that did not hear the word of God is by their belief in a higher power, and their love for people, and their conscience.
 
#6
Are you stupid or something? This OP was not meant to refute your nonsense. Go back to that thread and see what I actually posted!

I have already explained the biblical Gospel many times, but you have probably ignored my posts.

So rather than "explain" the biblical Gospel, I will give you the authoritative words of the Lord Jesus Christ, to set you (and other Calvinists) straight. And pay close attention to John 3:17, since that ONE verse totally demolishes TULIP:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everyone agrees, including Strong's and Thayer's that the Greek word for world here --kosmos -- means the whole world of humanity. Which means that Christ (and even John Calvin in his Commentary) is flatly telling you that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit will draw ALL MEN to themselves.

Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος
κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )): Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above)
Apparently Thayer carefully avoided John 3:16,17 since he may have been a Calvinist.
But John Calvin set him straight long before Thayer.

Calvin's Commentary on Bible Hub
v 16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish... [TAKE CAREFUL NOTE]

v 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world. It is a confirmation of the preceding statement; for it was not in vain that God sent his own Son to us. He came not to destroy; and therefore it follows, that it is the peculiar office of the Son of God, that all who believe may obtain salvation by him. There is now no reason why any man should be in a state of hesitation, or of distressing anxiety, as to the manner in which he may escape death, when we believe that it was the purpose of God that Christ should deliver us from it. The word world is again repeated, that no man may think himself wholly excluded, if he only keep the road of faith.
Calling me names does not change the fact that you divert away from the real issue. The word world has little to do with the question.
 

Eli1

Well-known member
Apr 5, 2022
5,012
2,173
113
46
#7
@Nehemiah6 , very nice post from you, i didn't expect it.
Thank you for sharing and God bless.
 

UnoiAmarah

Junior Member
Jul 28, 2017
908
142
43
#8
None of the above tells us about the laws of nature embedded into creation, and the mathematics that govern all created things with mathematical precision. God is the Great Mathematician (among other things).
Here's a softball, so what did God create on the forth day?

Only God could make all this happen by simply speaking, and creating all things out of nothing.
This one is a little meaty.

The laws of nature states that nothing comes from nothing.

The First Cause principle is based upon two immutable things, 1) it holds that all things which existence have an effectual cause; and 2) the effectual cause cannot be its own cause.

In consideration that the scriptures represent that the Word is God, then if Word created the universe and the Word is God, then who created God if the effectual cause of the universe was God and the effectual cause cannot be it's own cause?

However, the Christian argument is now that “Anything which has a beginning must have a cause.” So as a Christian, how do you prove that the universe had a beginning?

The argument of the other side is that the universe cannot be created or destroyed, which is the gospel according to the Primordial Atom hypothesis published in scientific form by the Catholic Church.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thess 5:21
 

vassal

Well-known member
Jan 20, 2024
805
345
63
#9
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (Rom 1:20)

It would appear that most people (including many Christians) do not really meditate on the marvels of God’s creation. But one when thinks about everything that God has made, and presently exists all over the world, one is awestruck by the “genius” of God and Christ (who was designated by God the Father to be the Creator of the universe). He is both Creator and Redeemer.

One simply has to look at the amazing varieties of all the species in the animal and vegetable kingdom, including birds, butterflies, bees, and bacteria. One simply has to ponder on the marvelous creation of the human body in all its intricate features and functions. And then we have the beauties of nature, in the mountains, forest, lakes, and streams. As well as the oceans, and the huge variety of creatures and species that live in them.

What God has also done in create every creature for the particular environment in which it is found, and thrives. And the way that the varieties of horses and other intelligent creatures exist. The intelligence of horses and many other creatures is quite remarkable. But then the Bible tells us that God made the ostrich to lack any intelligence. But all creatures have been given instincts to live and survive and reproduce, so they do exactly what they are supposed to do instinctively.

When we think of the plant kingdom, and the huge variety of trees, shrubs, medicinal plants, flowers, fruit trees, and trees producing sap and syrup, it boggles the mind. Then the way God has given both mankind and other creatures fruits, vegetables, berries, and all kinds of trees to sustain humans, animal and birds, that reveals the wisdom of God. And every species in the plant kingdom is perfectly suited for is particular environment. Only God could make all this happen by simply speaking, and creating all things out of nothing.

None of the above tells us about the laws of nature embedded into creation, and the mathematics that govern all created things with mathematical precision. God is the Great Mathematician (among other things).

Then we come to the intelligence of mankind, and that certain people have been endowed with genius, including child prodigies. Everything discovered and created by man. in accordance with the natural laws which exists, is in itself amazing. But the sinful nature of mankind has perverted science in order to maim, destroy, and kill.

When we come to the spirit realm (the most important of all realms), only human beings have been given spirits. But because of the Fall, all natural humans have “dead” spirits, and only those who have been supernaturally regenerated have spirits which are alive to God and to His written Word.

And thus we come to the Holy Bible, which is direct divine revelation given to apostles and prophets. It is not only a written Word, but it is Quick (alive), and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.(Heb 4:12, 13)

The ultimate purpose of the Bible is to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ as both God and Savior, and to present His finished work in His sufferings, His death, His burial, and His resurrection. But we should not forget His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and His present divine ministry as High Priest, Mediator, and Advocate. God wants all mankind to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of His truth. And so He presents Christ throughout the Bible, particularly in the New Testament. And the way of salvation by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption.

But those who reject the Gospel and reject Christ will face Him as the Supreme Judge. Thus God now commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:3o)
Nice Post Brother.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,778
113
#10
Here's a softball, so what did God create on the forth day?
THE FOURTH DAY OF CREATION
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,778
113
#11
The laws of nature states that nothing comes from nothing.
God is not governed by nature. Rather He governs nature. Therefore the laws of nature do not apply. God is in the SUPERNATURAL realm, where He can just speak a word, and create something out of nothing.

Have you not been reading your Bible? Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Heb 11:3) "Things which do appear means that which exists and can be seen".
"The classic Christian doctrine of creation is creation ex nihilo (out of nothing). The writer who most thoroughly developed this concept was Augustine. He said God spoke the universe into being out of nothing."
 

UnoiAmarah

Junior Member
Jul 28, 2017
908
142
43
#12
THE FOURTH DAY OF CREATION
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
So what are the two great lights?
 

maxwel

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2013
9,526
2,609
113
#14
However, the Christian argument is now that “Anything which has a beginning must have a cause.” So as a Christian, how do you prove that the universe had a beginning?
The prevailing scientific theory is that the universe DID have a beginning, referred to as the Big Bang.

So it's not really a point of contention when debating a non-Christian.



You brought up a lot of interesting points that Christians should be aware of, but I don't think any of them create a significant problem.

God Bless.

.
 

Pilgrimshope

Well-known member
Sep 2, 2020
14,652
5,908
113
#15
If you have not figured that out by now, what can I say?
One ruled the night before the son of righteousness dawned with greater light to rule the day

“The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined…. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:2, 6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day,

and the lesser light to rule the night

: he made the stars also.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day( ruled by the grater light of Christ in the gospel ) we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:5-6, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is………. submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:8-14, 17, 21‬ ‭
 

UnoiAmarah

Junior Member
Jul 28, 2017
908
142
43
#16
The prevailing scientific theory is that the universe DID have a beginning, referred to as the Big Bang.

So it's not really a point of contention when debating a non-Christian.



You brought up a lot of interesting points that Christians should be aware of, but I don't think any of them create a significant problem.

God Bless.

.
Correct me if I am wrong, the Primordial Atom Hypothesis begins with the primordial atom, being all space, matter, time and energy in a highly condensed state, but that is not the beginning of the primordial atom which has no beginning. The primordial atom then rapidly expanded to form our known and observed universe. Thus, nothing is created because it has always existed. The universe will then expand until it reaches the point where it then begin to condensed again into that highly condensed state, and the process is said to repeat its in perpetuity.

The Big Bang theory or Primordial Atom hypothesis is the blueprint for an eternal universe.
 

Eli1

Well-known member
Apr 5, 2022
5,012
2,173
113
46
#17
Correct me if I am wrong, the Primordial Atom Hypothesis begins with the primordial atom, being all space, matter, time and energy in a highly condensed state, but that is not the beginning of the primordial atom which has no beginning. The primordial atom then rapidly expanded to form our known and observed universe. Thus, nothing is created because it has always existed. The universe will then expand until it reaches the point where it then begin to condensed again into that highly condensed state, and the process is said to repeat its in perpetuity.

The Big Bang theory or Primordial Atom hypothesis is the blueprint for an eternal universe.
I'll correct you since you're wrong. :)
Your theory of an eternal primordial atom sitting for ages, just chilling, is as valid as the "Multiverse" for which we have no evidence.
For the things we have evidence on, based on observation, we can say with an educated guess that the primordial singularity was caused by an external cause, we believers call this God or the Holy Trinity, which drove out the expansion we find ourselves in.
Also, the universe is not eternal since there will come a point, billions of years from now, again based on educated guesses of current observation, that there will be no more interactions in the universe including the atom itself. The atom will be disintegrated due to entropy and there will be literally nothing. The concept of Time also loses its meaning at that state.
(y):coffee:
 

UnoiAmarah

Junior Member
Jul 28, 2017
908
142
43
#18
I'll correct you since you're wrong. :)
Your theory of an eternal primordial atom sitting for ages, just chilling, is as valid as the "Multiverse" for which we have no evidence.
For the things we have evidence on, based on observation, we can say with an educated guess that the primordial singularity was caused by an external cause, we believers call this God or the Holy Trinity, which drove out the expansion we find ourselves in.
Also, the universe is not eternal since there will come a point, billions of years from now, again based on educated guesses of current observation, that there will be no more interactions in the universe including the atom itself. The atom will be disintegrated due to entropy and there will be literally nothing. The concept of Time also loses its meaning at that state.
(y):coffee:
Have your read the Primordial Atom hypothesis? It is not my hypothesis. It doesn't sit chilling, it expands and contracts, in perpetuity. You can believe the primordial atom had an external cause all you want, but if all space, matter time and energy existed prior to its expanse, then nothing was created.

If you have not figured that out by now, what can I say?
 

Eli1

Well-known member
Apr 5, 2022
5,012
2,173
113
46
#19
Have your read the Primordial Atom hypothesis? It is not my hypothesis. It doesn't sit chilling, it expands and contracts, in perpetuity. You can believe the primordial atom had an external cause all you want, but if all space, matter time and energy existed prior to its expanse, then nothing was created.
This theory is old and no longer valid anymore.
The universe is in a perpetual expansion and the theory where gravity wins, is no longer valid. So, there is no expansion or contract like some sort of heartbeat.
There is a moment of creation where God spoke the word and there is what appears to be infinite expansion until nothing interacts with itself anymore.
 

UnoiAmarah

Junior Member
Jul 28, 2017
908
142
43
#20
The universe is in a perpetual expansion and the theory where gravity wins, is no longer valid. So, there is no expansion or contract like some sort of heartbeat.
Well then, what is the matter that forms space? If space is expanding then it must be some form of matter,