There will be no Rapture!!!

[Genez]

He nailed John Darby, as did preachers of Darby's day to a "T"

What denomination are you from?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Then you conveniently overlooked a previous post of mine where I cited one from the first century, and a couple others down through those 1800 years who spoke of this doctrine. Very convenient indeed is the path of your choosing.

MM

The one you mentioned (if I am reading his name correctly) has so many doctrinal errors only people using him are those with specific doctrines that align to his.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Adam still ate of that tree .... didn't he?

Anyone who wants to?
Can rationalize to gain an effect they crave to produce on others....

Believe what you want. I know what I know.

Have a nice Day..

Yep, Adam was not deceived like Eve and he flat out chose to reject God's command

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

God does not reveal 100% of what He has planned until He wants to.

Its about warfare.

There's multiple verses about us being caught up to the clouds and air but not a single one about going to Heaven. I think there's assumption being placed more so than about this being warfare.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

What denomination are you from?

Even though I went through Mishnah we were connected to Pentecostalism.
And yes, they teach pre-trib Rapture.
But when I present the same scripture to them as I do here [since as a Pastor/Evangelist they must look at it because I am Ordained] they have nothing to rebut other than that's what they believe because it's now "tradition."

 

[Genez]

Yep, Adam was not deceived like Eve and he flat out chose to reject God's command

Why can't you?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

There's multiple verses about us being caught up to the clouds and air

I disagree.

There's 1Th4:17... about that ^ .




You are reading that idea INTO Matthew 24:29-31 (but which ISN'T about that ^ ).

 

[Genez]

There's multiple verses about us being caught up to the clouds and air but not a single one about going to Heaven. I think there's assumption being placed more so than about this being warfare.

Where did the dead in Christ (who are also caught up in the clouds) come from?

Do you still believe there is Paradise under the earth for dead believers?

Even Paul before he permanently physically died was taken up to the third heaven.... 2 Corinthians 12:2

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Why can't you?

Because I desire not to.

 

[Musicmaster]

The one you mentioned (if I am reading his name correctly) has so many doctrinal errors only people using him are those with specific doctrines that align to his.

Doctrinal errors by declaration from whom? You? Do you agree with all those men? Do they all agree with one another? Are you a follower of Augustine, the anti-semite?!? HOw about Luther? He too was an anti-semite, along with Calvin.

Your appeals to men who were not inspired writers of scripture is not at all impressive to me.

MM

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I disagree.

There's 1Th4:17... about that ^ .




You are reading that idea INTO Matthew 24:29-31 (but which ISN'T about that ^ ).

You can position anywhere you like there's still not one single verse connecting to heaven at the Rapture anywhere. Only in the clouds and air.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Where did the dead in Christ (who are also caught up in the clouds) come from?

Do you still believe there is Paradise under the earth for dead believers?

Even Paul before he permanently physically died was taken up to the third heaven.... 2 Corinthians 12:2

3rd Heaven is where God is at.
Clouds and Air are still in the Earths atmosphere.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Doctrinal errors by declaration from whom? You? Do you agree with all those men? Do they all agree with one another? Are you a follower of Augustine, the anti-semite?!? HOw about Luther? He too was an anti-semite, along with Calvin.

Your appeals to men who were not inspired writers of scripture is not at all impressive to me.

MM

I've read their positions and only Augustine fits. The other 2 were Reformed puppets of Augustine. Odd how you would adapt pre-trib from Augustine but reject Reformation.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Dispensationalism does not fragment the Word.
No more than saying the Colonialists lived with horses, and those in WW 2 drove automobiles,
is fragmenting American history. It simply places one into the right time frame to think with.

Agreed, and well said.







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[We ARE to be "CORRECTLY APPORTIONING the word of truth" 2Tim2:15; This means, don't believe the guy telling you, "you MUST build an ark!! [the Bible SAYS SO!]" ... ]

 

[Musicmaster]

I've read their positions and only Augustine fits. The other 2 were Reformed puppets of Augustine. Odd how you would adapt pre-trib from Augustine but reject Reformation.

Wait a minute! You said you're a Jew, and here you are claiming Augustine fits...the ANTI-SEMITE...THE JEW HATER!

Dude, you have some strange ideas about who you follow...

MM

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Wait a minute! You said you're a Jew, and here you are claiming Augustine fits...the ANTI-SEMITE...THE JEW HATER!

Dude, you have some strange ideas about who you follow...

MM

No, I said he fits the false doctrine of the Church Father.

 

[Musicmaster]

No, I said he fits the false doctrine of the Church Father.

One thing about mid-trib, pre-wrath and post-trib theology is that those fit perfectly the with the replacement theology grounding, which is a doctrine from the pits of Hell itself, because the idea of the Church allegedly going through the tribulation, any part of it, is to say that the tribulation is for the Church rather than for Israel. It isn't the Church that rejected Christ. Israel is in opposition to Christ, and He's going to beat them to a pulp through His wrath until they look upon Him whom they pierced!

So, if you want to stay here, then go for it. I'm not here to convince you of anything.

MM

 

[sawdust]

There's multiple verses about us being caught up to the clouds and air but not a single one about going to Heaven. I think there's assumption being placed more so than about this being warfare.

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Philippians 3:20
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Christ went back to heaven to prepare a place for us for that is our home.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Philippians 3:20
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Christ went back to heaven to prepare a place for us for that is our home.

Amen, but during the Rapture Event itself it's only clouds and air. But no doubt we will get to Heaven just not at the Rapture.

 

[sawdust]

Amen, but during the Rapture Event itself it's only clouds and air. But no doubt we will get to Heaven just not at the Rapture.

And you say that on what basis? I can't think of any scripture that implies we will meet in the air then return to earth. Jesus said he would take us to where He is and at the time He said that He was going to heaven. Why would He say He's coming to take us to where He is if we would meet in the air and return to where we are? makes no sense to me.