Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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And you never answer. Just for the record, do you believe God is exercising love towards someone who is being cast into the Lake of Fire? Cast mind you. Which means He is doing so against a person's will.
There is no indication that sin separated God from man. Rather it seems sin separated man from God. It was man who felt alienated from God. God was just as close as he had and has always been. God tried to persuade Adam and Eve that He was willing to forgive by extending grace to them despite their sin. The covering was for man's sake, so he could feel freer to draw closer to God It was not for not God's sake.
Yes. Agape love is an affection elicited by an appreciation of the inherent value of the thing or person loved. Agape therefore hates seeing us devalue ourselves and others, and moves to minimise that degradation by separating those who would devalue others from the company of those who value others.
I already answered this and then your compatriot blasted me for my answer.
And I have responded to your ideas in my responses even though not as a direct reply.
If God is love then God is love and He cannot be anything other than what He has stated.
Here is a thread Cameron created a while ago... oh! More than a year ago... it may answer some of what you are asking.
What Does It Mean That God Desires All People To Be Saved? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Where does the Bible say emotions come from? One's bowels? One's kidneys? What say you?
Your idea of love differs greatly from scripture. Do you think love would let all the unrepentant tyrants of the ages into the millenium and the new creation in the midst of the righteous?
The heart is the wellspring of life. It directs thought, speech, and actions. If it corrupt, so is every thought, word and action.
I want to be clear here. This doesn't mean every thought, word or action is wrong or evil. But it does mean that every thought, word, and action flows from an evil source.
I also want to be clear that evil as defined by God doesn't mean wicked or dastardly, though these are found in man and are included in the spectrum of evil. What makes that which flows from the heart evil is that it has no connection to God as its source.
Consider for a moment how God created us physically. We need oxygen at least every 3 minutes or we die. We need water every 3 days or we die. We need food every 30 days. Physically, we are dependent on God for these things continually or we die. If it's true that the unseen things of God are known by the things that are seen, what might the separation of man from God mean spiritually? How might the heart of man that was designed to be sustained and nurtured by God be altered when God is no longer its source? How might man's thoughts, words, and actions be altered? And what might be required in man for this to be restored to man?
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The heart is the wellspring of life according to the Bible. What do you think is meant by wellspring?
That might seem loving to the righteous. How is it an exhibition of love to those cast into hell?
Did Jesus not bear our guilt and our shame on the cross? Why would he do that if we do not experience guilt and shame from our sin?
Prov. 11:2 When pride comes, then comes shame; but with the lowly is wisdom.
Prov. 13:18 Poverty and shame shall be to him that refuses instruction, but he that regards reproof shall be honoured.
Rom. 5:16 for the judgment was by one (Adam) to condemnation...
Just to be clear, only yes or no please. Casting people into the Lake of Fire against their will is an act of love by God to those cast into it?
Do you think the unbelievers would be more at peace in heaven among the righteous than they would in isolation from the righteous. maybe they should get their own heaven where thy can be as they wish. Oh, wait. That's what hell is.
Not what I asked. You said because God is love that every action on His part is agape love. So, it's a natural question: how does casting someone into the Lake of Fire manifest agape love to the individual being cast in?