Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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More deceptive pretenses from you as that is not what you had been saying. You had put forward a number of times that someone who had not been chosen by God for salvation could choose of their own free will to believe and then they would become elect retroactively. That is why a thread was made on it, because what you were saying was so out there and unbiblical! If all the push back you got on your erroneous position has caused you to rethink it and align it more with what is true, then good for you, but at the same time you should stop pretending that it was me that did not understand. Your lack of honesty in this regard is appalling.
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You put a thumbs down on my post addressed to SS. I simply wondered why... perhaps you are unaware of what she was saying and why a whole thread was made about her unbiblical beliefs around election and being chosen. Beliefs she now pretends she never held and instead acts as if anyone who calls her out on it is the one that didn't understand. The level of dishonesty is almost shocking.
PaulThomson said:
You are falling for the negative inference fallacy again. Without faith it is impossible to please God, does not imply that all those who do not please God have no faith.
Without sight it is impossible to read this text, does not mean that all people who cannot read this text have no sight.
Good grief. Can you not read and understand English? Where in that post you responded to did I say that people can please God apart from faith?
You are falling for the negative inference fallacy again. Without faith it is impossible to please God, does not imply that all those who do not please God have no faith.
Without sight it is impossible to read this text, does not mean that all people who cannot read this text have no sight.
Good grief. Can you not read and understand English? Where in that post you responded to did I say that people can please God apart from faith?
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Like your lack of honesty in stopping your communications with me... I understood very well what you were saying and I tried to help you see where you were in error... But like I said, if you no longer hold those unbiblical beliefs, good for you! However it doesn't change the fact that you keep trying to pretend that it is me who doesn't understand... And your false accusation that I am against Biblical election ... you still haven't provided proof for that... Nor will you be able to.
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Do you believe in the doctrine of election and predestination at all, @Magenta. It IS biblical. I hope you know that. Like it or not…
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- Romans 8:28-39 (NKJV)
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- Romans 8:28-39 (NKJV)
There is some waffling going on mixed in with so much dishonesty it is hard to tell.
Sometimes it seems yes and other times no. It would be much better if she just came
clean but that is obviously not going to happen.
The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice' - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
^ That is the thread that was made about people using "free will" to believe even if they are not elect.
It was put forward that those not chosen can decide for themself and then they become elect.
Sometimes it seems yes and other times no. It would be much better if she just came
clean but that is obviously not going to happen.
The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice' - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
^ That is the thread that was made about people using "free will" to believe even if they are not elect.
It was put forward that those not chosen can decide for themself and then they become elect.