Question y'all

[TMS]

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Psa 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

Dust + the breath of life = a living soul.

We were given choice. And God said if we sin we shall die..

We all have sinned and if it wasn't for Gods grace and mercy we would die instantly. But because of God's great love we can be forgiven and born again.

If we are saved from sin, by His grace we will be able to stand, without the curse of sin, restored to our original state.

Rom 6:5-7
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Interesting, the view you present in the correlating of water and blood. You right in one has to be born again by God or one is not in, thanks

Forgot to mention that Eve is the mother of all living.Both those born of the flesh,and those born of the spirit.When you look at our dna you see an Ark of the covenant.50% of our father and 50% from our mother.On the sides are the cherubim and in the middle is the mercy seat.The base pairs connecting our dna are 10 base pairs per one full roataion.Within one full rotation there's a twist, so one rotation will look like a figure 8.
With your spiritual eyes you'll see two stone tablets and 5 commandments on each totaling 10.There's really 10 and a half for the final commandment that Jesus gave and that's to love one another.It connects to the next tablets and makes up our whole bring and gives us life.That means that the answer to life is love.
You have the Spirit of the Lord on the mercy seat.The Living God.His name is the Word of God.

Look closely at our dna.He's lifting up the brazen serpent.The Living Word was the staff of Moses that held up the brazen serpent.The staff is the base pairs.He is the 'branch'. and the snake on the pole is us when we were in the world.Through hearing, and believing on Jesus we are lifted up.A true believer's dna is changed.On earth as it is in heaven for everything I'm saying.When you are a new creature your dna isn't the same as it was before.

The scripture will testify to this.Read Colossians 1:16-20.All things are made through him and he reconciles all things unto himself.By the spirit,water and the blood all things were made.He reconciles all things unto himself through the spirit,water and the blood.
Whatever it be things that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
For the people who believe Jesus isn't God in the flesh how is it that all things consist through Jesus including the kingdom of heaven in heaven?!
He makes a way for us right down to the molecule.He does the same for a blade of grass,a rock,any living thing.Every unseen thing,by the spirit,water,and the blood.All things are made in his image.Not just man.Everywhere you look you will 'see' Jesus.

 

[BillyBob]

Except the Bible doesn't say "Since the fall, man has lost the ability To do good! His thoughts are evil only!"

You are correct. I winged it and misquoted what the Bible actually states. MY BAD!

Gen 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (ESV)

The verse speaks of man's thoughts, not his ability. However, I believe that man's actions are based on his thoughts which come from the heart. Therefore, his ability to please God is lacking. Even if he somehow did a good deed, it would be done for the wrong reason.
Your thoughts direct you actions!

 

[homwardbound]

We all have sinned and if it wasn't for Gods grace and mercy we would die instantly. But because of God's great love we can be forgiven and born again.

Thank you agreed
Yet, might be better put as
By Son's death, that is done, we are forgiven (John 19:30) (reconciled) (2 Cor 5:17-20) so we can be given new life in the risen Christ to love all over the few that my first birth could only do. Now it is to love all in God's Spirit as son did first in going to that cross willingly, once for all (Hebrews 10:10-12)
Maybe, you decide
I just see the reconciliation (Forgiven issue). got handled at the cross of Jesus. Therefore, in his resurrected life, we by belief get given new life, from God Father in God's Spirit and Truth.thanks to Son's perfection for us. Which is what Father seeks per (John 4:23-24)

I see you already see this also, thank you for believing God all in all

 

[montana123]

Reading Acts 5 at the end of Acts 5, about the disciples being told not to preach the risen Son.

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; 35 and said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. 36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. 37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: 39 but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it;

To this day, God in Son as risen has not gotten overthrown has it?
Amazing grace given to abide in thanksgiving and praise, even though I do not ever deserve to have ever been given it, nor anyone else either, imop

At least they had sense to say leave them alone for if it is not of God it will come of nought which they will not proceed with what they are putting forth, and they did not want to go against them for if it is of God they cannot be over thrown and it seems like they thought we do not want to go against God.

Which means they did not want to take the chance of going against them for they might be of God for then they would be going against God, and let it play out and see if they prosper or not.

Joh 7:32 The Pharisees heard that the people murmured such things concerning him; and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take him.

Joh 7:45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

It reminds me of this where Jesus spoke so boldly to the officers that it cast doubt in to their mind, and they thought we better leave this man alone for if he is speaking the truth we do not want to be going against God.

And that is how the Bible is to the world that they are afraid of it so they say leave it alone for if it is true we do not want to go against God.

 

[homwardbound]

At least they had sense to say leave them alone for if it is not of God it will come of nought which they will not proceed with what they are putting forth, and they did not want to go against them for if it is of God they cannot be over thrown and it seems like they thought we do not want to go against God.

Which means they did not want to take the chance of going against them for they might be of God for then they would be going against God, and let it play out and see if they prosper or not.

Joh 7:32 The Pharisees heard that the people murmured such things concerning him; and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take him.

Joh 7:45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.

It reminds me of this where Jesus spoke so boldly to the officers that it cast doubt in to their mind, and they thought we better leave this man alone for if he is speaking the truth we do not want to be going against God.

And that is how the Bible is to the world that they are afraid of it so they say leave it alone for if it is true we do not want to go against God.

Great point, thank you

 

[homwardbound]

Forgot to mention that Eve is the mother of all living.Both those born of the flesh,and those born of the spirit.When you look at our dna you see an Ark of the covenant.50% of our father and 50% from our mother.On the sides are the cherubim and in the middle is the mercy seat.The base pairs connecting our dna are 10 base pairs per one full roataion.Within one full rotation there's a twist, so one rotation will look like a figure 8.
With your spiritual eyes you'll see two stone tablets and 5 commandments on each totaling 10.There's really 10 and a half for the final commandment that Jesus gave and that's to love one another.It connects to the next tablets and makes up our whole bring and gives us life.That means that the answer to life is love.
You have the Spirit of the Lord on the mercy seat.The Living God.His name is the Word of God.

Look closely at our dna.He's lifting up the brazen serpent.The Living Word was the staff of Moses that held up the brazen serpent.The staff is the base pairs.He is the 'branch'. and the snake on the pole is us when we were in the world.Through hearing, and believing on Jesus we are lifted up.A true believer's dna is changed.On earth as it is in heaven for everything I'm saying.When you are a new creature your dna isn't the same as it was before.

The scripture will testify to this.Read Colossians 1:16-20.All things are made through him and he reconciles all things unto himself.By the spirit,water and the blood all things were made.He reconciles all things unto himself through the spirit,water and the blood.
Whatever it be things that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.
For the people who believe Jesus isn't God in the flesh how is it that all things consist through Jesus including the kingdom of heaven in heaven?!
He makes a way for us right down to the molecule.He does the same for a blade of grass,a rock,any living thing.Every unseen thing,by the spirit,water,and the blood.All things are made in his image.Not just man.Everywhere you look you will 'see' Jesus.

Thank you, the mysteries of God in Love to all,

 

[PaulThomson]

You are correct. I winged it and misquoted what the Bible actually states. MY BAD!

Gen 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (ESV)

The verse speaks of man's thoughts, not his ability. However, I believe that man's actions are based on his thoughts which come from the heart. Therefore, his ability to please God is lacking. Even if he somehow did a good deed, it would be done for the wrong reason.
Your thoughts direct you actions!

That people's thoughts and imaginations were only evil continually does not mean the same as that people's thoughts and imaginations were only evil continuously. Nor should it be taken in a woodenly literal way, because obviously Noah's thoughts and imaginations were not continuously or continually evil. It is clearly a figure of speech, hyperbole, to express God's overwhelming sense fo disappointment as He observed what mankind had become. So, it is unwarranted to deduce from the verse that there was no good being thought or imagined by anyone at any time from the time of Adam's fall to the time of Noah's flood... and then until Jesus gave the Holy Spirit.

 

[PaulThomson]

Not first born dead to God, God made the first Adam. Adam ate from the tree, God said to not eat from, if did, Adam would die. Adam ate from that tree in Unbelief to God. Death came to all flesh
The Second Adam, Jesus the Christ, reversed the first curse, by belief to God his Father for us to be given this born new life, in his resurrection is what I see now. The full Gospel is much more than just getting forgiven

Physical death came to all men. A day with the Lord is as a thousand years. It is a biblically justifiable interpretation of God's warning that He considered He was saying that Adam would begin to die and would eventually die by eating the fruit. The Hebrew says "To die you will be dying". That sounds to me like "to reach a sure death you will start degenerating, if you eat of the fruit." It was predicting the genesis of disease/s that would eventually kill.

Don't you see tat as a possible meaning if the original Hebrew? If not, why not?

 

[PaulThomson]

The above was stated after the first Adam failed, all that are born after his fall are first born as dead to God in their flesh nature, and each person sees this in growing up and some decide to believe God and others not. Then the Judgment, God decides
Thanks

But the Bible doesn't say "All that are born after Adam's fall are first born as dead to God in their flesh nature, and each person sees this in growing up and some decide to believe God and others not. " Si whay would anyone "see" that in the Bible.

 

[Burn1986]

First birth in flesh and blood of man and woman having sex?
Are we born alive to God in that first birth? or just after the similitude of the first Adam?

Youve certainly got something going on that you’re trying to connect. It sounds like you may need to seek God for deeper revelation. Fasting perhaps.

 

[Burn1986]

First birth in flesh and blood of man and woman having sex?
Are we born alive to God in that first birth? or just after the similitude of the first Adam?

Should this be in “Miscellaneous”?

 

[homwardbound]

Physical death came to all men. A day with the Lord is as a thousand years. It is a biblically justifiable interpretation of God's warning that He considered He was saying that Adam would begin to die and would eventually die by eating the fruit. The Hebrew says "To die you will be dying". That sounds to me like "to reach a sure death you will start degenerating, if you eat of the fruit." It was predicting the genesis of disease/s that would eventually kill.

Don't you see tat as a possible meaning if the original Hebrew? If not, why not?

All, I see is, God created Man and Woman. Saw that as good. God wanted to not have any puppets. Therefore God gave free choice, that started with the Tree of good and evil, contained, the knowledge of good and evil.
That Adam the first ate from that tree in Unbelief to God, that he would die, if he ate. Since he saw Eve eat from it and not die right away. He then in Unbelief he, ate from that tree too.
Death has happened to all flesh ever since,
God did not send Son to save flesh, to save the Soul yes, nit the flesh
Therefore die to self, first birth to be alive in the second birth, made alive by God though risen Son for us to stand in.

John 4:23-24

Living Bible

21-24 Jesus replied, “The time is coming, ma’am, when we will no longer be concerned about whether to worship the Father here or in Jerusalem. For it’s not where we worship that counts, but how we worship—is our worship spiritual and real? Do we have the Holy Spirit’s help? For God is Spirit, and we must have his help to worship as we should. The Father wants this kind of worship from us. But you Samaritans know so little about him, worshiping blindly, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes to the world through the Jews.”

All flesh ever since is first born in flesh as dead, even though we can move and speak


Acts 17:28

Living Bible

28 For in him we live and move and are! As one of your own poets says it, ‘We are the sons of God.’

Thank you, for the conversation as we each grow to continue to know more and more in confident humility

 

[homwardbound]

Youve certainly got something going on that you’re trying to connect. It sounds like you may need to seek God for deeper revelation. Fasting perhaps.

Okay, thanks, have a blessed life, it is all Father and Son as Won. new life offered in the resurrected Son

God connects, connected through Son, we the people wreck it well, I know I have in past and see to be nothing but God's vessel as the disciples were that on Pentecost
Luke 21:14-15

 

[homwardbound]

Should this be in “Miscellaneous”?

I don't know, God does though, you put it wherever you see to do that, having free choice as well.
Me seeing this truth, God has fee choice too

Not worried over those that can only destroy, flesh, mine is already destroyed, I reverently fear God who can destroy both Soul and body, The only one that can do both. So I choose, (Not out of fear) out of respect of

Living Bible



82 God stands up to open heaven’s court. He pronounces judgment on the judges.[a] 2 How long will you judges refuse to listen to the evidence? How long will you shower special favors on the wicked? 3 Give fair judgment to the poor man, the afflicted, the fatherless, the destitute.4 Rescue the poor and helpless from the grasp of evil men.5 But you are so foolish and so ignorant! Because you are in darkness, all the foundations of society[b] are shaken to the core. 6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.” 7 But in death you are mere men. You will fall as any prince—for all must die.

To be alive forever, So die to self daily to be alive in God's Spirit and Truth, thank you

 

[Burn1986]

I don't know, God does though, you put it wherever you see to do that, having free choice as well.
Me seeing this truth, God has fee choice too

Not worried over those that can only destroy, flesh, mine is already destroyed, I reverently fear God who can destroy both Soul and body, The only one that can do both. So I choose, (Not out of fear) out of respect of

Living Bible



82 God stands up to open heaven’s court. He pronounces judgment on the judges.[a] 2 How long will you judges refuse to listen to the evidence? How long will you shower special favors on the wicked? 3 Give fair judgment to the poor man, the afflicted, the fatherless, the destitute.4 Rescue the poor and helpless from the grasp of evil men.5 But you are so foolish and so ignorant! Because you are in darkness, all the foundations of society[b] are shaken to the core. 6 I have called you all “gods” and “sons of the Most High.” 7 But in death you are mere men. You will fall as any prince—for all must die.

To be alive forever, So die to self daily to be alive in God's Spirit and Truth, thank you

Mmm okay….

 

[sawdust]

First birth in flesh and blood of man and woman having sex?
Are we born alive to God in that first birth? or just after the similitude of the first Adam?

We are born body and soul only, dead in our sin which, is why we must be born of the Spirit. The Spirit generates a human spirit when we believe on the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is our salvation from death. We are made spiritually alive and have passed from death to life.

Our parents can only generate flesh and only God can create the soul (which is the invisible essence of who we are). Our spirit is what enables us to comprehend spiritual matters.

John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[homwardbound]

We are born body and soul only, dead in our sin which, is why we must be born of the Spirit. The Spirit generates a human spirit when we believe on the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is our salvation from death. We are made spiritually alive and have passed from death to life.

Our parents can only generate flesh and only God can create the soul (which is the invisible essence of who we are). Our spirit is what enables us to comprehend spiritual matters.

John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Thank you, Born new by God through Son the two as Won (One) for us to be in and never kicked out. Oh, wait, I guess after being enlightened of this truth, I guess anyone could turn around and say, they changed their mind, and decided to not believe God! Not me and others I know that are born new as you are too.

I know the troubles I have gone through, and got mad, angered and fear tried to take me over. I stood in belief, even through physical death here on earth in 2012, where the Doctors said to me, I died in surgery 7 times, having Foreigners GanGreene then. They resuscitated me, each time
And I have suffered Amputations from the Gangreene.
I stand in belief to God, period, even though I do not deserve to be alive here or even saved by God
But God chose us all the people to make a choice to Believe God or not! Son is risen, where the new life begins, after accepting God's reconciliation, forgiveness to us all by son for us all.
Done, took all sin out of the way for us all by Son on that cross in his one time death it is done Why?
So we can now enter his courts with thanksgiving and praise. seeing by Son all sin is now as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 100:4, 103:12) Prophesy fulfilled

Believe, Father now by Son for us in his one time willing death took all the nasty nines and dirty dozen sins out of the way. So we can now go to Father as our friend and ask truth, how to walk away from Sin and stop trying to do it ourselves
Love from God to all, 1 cor 13:4-7

 

[BillyBob]

That people's thoughts and imaginations were only evil continually does not mean the same as that people's thoughts and imaginations were only evil continuously. Nor should it be taken in a woodenly literal way, because obviously Noah's thoughts and imaginations were not continuously or continually evil. It is clearly a figure of speech, hyperbole, to express God's overwhelming sense fo disappointment as He observed what mankind had become. So, it is unwarranted to deduce from the verse that there was no good being thought or imagined by anyone at any time from the time of Adam's fall to the time of Noah's flood... and then until Jesus gave the Holy Spirit.

I will agree that fallen man is not as bad as he could be. Thank God that we are somewhat constrained! However, I do not believe that our actions and thoughts are pleasing to God until we have been changed by the Spirit. After being changed, we have a new desire to please God - although we are still not perfected. We must always remember that “What we are intended to be, we have not yet become”.

Your reply, if I am reading it correctly, implies that the Spirit was not present with man until the New Covenant. However, the Old Testament has a rich record of the work of the Spirit, but He was not poured out on all flesh under the Old Covenant. Instead, certain men were filled with the Spirit at certain times and only for certain duties. It was rather selective: Joseph was filled with the Spirit of God. Even Pharaoh recognized this! (Genesis 41:38). Pharaoh said to his servants, “Can we find a man like this, in whom is the Spirit of God?”

 

[homwardbound]

I will agree that fallen man is not as bad as he could be. Thank God that we are somewhat constrained! However, I do not believe that our actions and thoughts are pleasing to God until we have been changed by the Spirit. After being changed, we have a new desire to please God - although we are still not perfected. We must always remember that “What we are intended to be, we have not yet become”.

Your reply, if I am reading it correctly, implies that the Spirit was not present with man until the New Covenant. However, the Old Testament has a rich record of the work of the Spirit, but He was not poured out on all flesh under the Old Covenant. Instead, certain men were filled with the Spirit at certain times and only for certain duties. It was rather selective: Joseph was filled with the Spirit of God. Even Pharaoh recognized this! (Genesis 41:38). Pharaoh said to his servants, “Can we find a man like this, in whom is the Spirit of God?”

And no Law put out yet. Just the birth in the flesh of the knowledge of good (God) and Evil
We all know this, in and of ourselves the truth of good and evil received in our first birth. I choose Psalm 1
thanks