Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"
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And there it is.
An argument where ultimately God takes the blame for unbelief, hardened hearts and condemnation, making God out to be unjust and evil, and the origin of evil.
Which is the primordial accusation of Satan. The other being that God does not create true free will in His creatures. Another lie.
Satan busies himself in heaven day in and day out falsely accusing God and the Saints falsely.
Until this point in time......
Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The misunderstanding of this following passage is EXTREMELY commonplace.
What is going on here is REJOICING in heaven now that Satan is finally gone and not CAUSING CHAOS and anguish....in heaven!
Furthermore, that VERY SOON (not right at that moment!) the kingdom of God is SOON COMING.
Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
An argument where ultimately God takes the blame for unbelief, hardened hearts and condemnation, making God out to be unjust and evil, and the origin of evil.
Which is the primordial accusation of Satan. The other being that God does not create true free will in His creatures. Another lie.
Satan busies himself in heaven day in and day out falsely accusing God and the Saints falsely.
Until this point in time......
Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The misunderstanding of this following passage is EXTREMELY commonplace.
What is going on here is REJOICING in heaven now that Satan is finally gone and not CAUSING CHAOS and anguish....in heaven!
Furthermore, that VERY SOON (not right at that moment!) the kingdom of God is SOON COMING.
Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
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And there's NO verses to back your claim. But there's multiple verses that the Holy Spirit is present when the Gospel is preached and heard. And the seed can only be planted if it's allowed.
In the example of Stephen we see it was clearly rejected. And we also see it affected Saul who soon after became Paul. Saul heard and the seed was planted. So within 1 example we see people can reject and people can receive from the Holy Spirit in the "same hearing" of the Gospel being preached. Saul heard and it later led to his transformation. The others heard but they stopped their ears. You reject the Word of God for a man made doctrine.
In the example of Stephen we see it was clearly rejected. And we also see it affected Saul who soon after became Paul. Saul heard and the seed was planted. So within 1 example we see people can reject and people can receive from the Holy Spirit in the "same hearing" of the Gospel being preached. Saul heard and it later led to his transformation. The others heard but they stopped their ears. You reject the Word of God for a man made doctrine.
The Bible specifically claims ""they stopped"" their ears. So had they not stopped their ears they would align with all the other verses to become converts. So the Bible is showing by them having the power to ""stop their ears"" they have the power to reject the Gospel. That is 100% free will and a deniable fact the Bible proves.
An appalling interpretation of Romans 11.
Grafting in actually means grafted into Christ.
Grafting out means severed from Christ.
That is why Paul said earlier.
Romans 11:7-10
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; just as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes to see not and ears to hear not, down to this very day.” And David says, “May their table become a snare and a trap, and a stumbling block and a retribution to them. May their eyes be darkened to see not, and bend their backs continually.”
Sure doesn't sound like a lack of a blessing.
Grafting in actually means grafted into Christ.
Grafting out means severed from Christ.
That is why Paul said earlier.
Romans 11:7-10
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; just as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes to see not and ears to hear not, down to this very day.” And David says, “May their table become a snare and a trap, and a stumbling block and a retribution to them. May their eyes be darkened to see not, and bend their backs continually.”
Sure doesn't sound like a lack of a blessing.
I think it is called "irresistible grace" given to some only.
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Because that is what they chose. To refuse the Spirit/seed/Word when offered.
I just witness precisely the same phenomenon a couple of days ago when preaching the Lord Jesus to a young man whom I had preached to several times before.
The seed bounced off the hard ground and the birds ate it. Stopped his ears. Dismissed the Spirit. Done.
You say chosen before birth to damnation.
I say he refused the call (and warning) that the Spirit (and His messenger/witness......yours truly) graciously provided.
Of his own free will. His choice. He now has a yet to be realized FUTURE "prescribed destination". But not a glorious one.
I just witness precisely the same phenomenon a couple of days ago when preaching the Lord Jesus to a young man whom I had preached to several times before.
The seed bounced off the hard ground and the birds ate it. Stopped his ears. Dismissed the Spirit. Done.
You say chosen before birth to damnation.
I say he refused the call (and warning) that the Spirit (and His messenger/witness......yours truly) graciously provided.
Of his own free will. His choice. He now has a yet to be realized FUTURE "prescribed destination". But not a glorious one.
People make choices out of the abundance of their hearts. What's down in the well is what comes up in the bucket. If the heart is not first plowed, the seed will always be ineffective. Only when the seed finds fertile soil will an increase come forth. Only the Spirit can prepare the heart. The condition of the heart is always what produces the choice.
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Ridiculous if not blasphemous.
God is doing both the calling and the saving. Because only He can.
What of those that do not heed the call and do not hear? They of course are not persuaded.
But the bigger issue is as follows: a dire predicament indeed.
"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD"
Luk 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Jos 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
God is doing both the calling and the saving. Because only He can.
What of those that do not heed the call and do not hear? They of course are not persuaded.
But the bigger issue is as follows: a dire predicament indeed.
"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD"
Luk 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Jos 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.