Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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ThereRoseaLamb

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HeIsHere said:
Sorry not comparable.
Have you even read his book?
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It's 110% comparable! He's not a novice, he knows what Biden believes and his character as much as he knows Trumps. I don't need to read his book, go to his Youtube page, he's got it all there.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Did he make a case for not voting for Biden?
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A writer has the right to write his point of view, people can challenge his writing by writing a book in response.
Or they can do a podcast and have a debate.
It is up to the reader to be informed about the nature of the work as partisan, if indeed it is and provide the evidence to the contrary.

That is how it works.
Freedom of speech allows for polemics.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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HeIsHere said:
A writer has the right to write his point of view, people can challenge his writing by writing a book in response.
Or they can do a podcast and have a debate.
It is up to the reader to be informed about the nature of the work as partisan, if indeed it is and provide the evidence to the contrary.

That is how it works.
Freedom of speech allows for polemics.
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Hey, nowhere did I say he didn't have freedom of speech. I said he's a hypocrite. But he has a right to spew whatever he wants to, just like I have a right to call him on his :poop:.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
A poster is upset because I called a spade a shovel. This pastor has an entire Youtube page devoted to Donald Trump and, justifying why it's ok to vote for Biden but not Trump. He's written books or a book on it, so he's also making money off this nonsense. There is nothing else on the Youtube page. Nothing about how to get saved, no sermons, alllll about why you should hate Trump like he does. Then they're upset with me when I call him a hypocrite after he admitted he's a Biden voter. smh Some people...
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He spends time writing a book no one is forces to buy it.
He has a right to enter into the marketplace of ideas.

And I am not upset.
I just cannot relate to your extreme reactions on this.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
It's 110% comparable! He's not a novice, he knows what Biden believes and his character as much as he knows Trumps. I don't need to read his book, go to his Youtube page, he's got it all there.
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Newsflash >>> Christians do support things that are evil and wrong.
 
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HeIsHere said:
A writer has the right to write his point of view, people can challenge his writing by writing a book in response.
Or they can do a podcast and have a debate.
It is up to the reader to be informed about the nature of the work as partisan, if indeed it is and provide the evidence to the contrary.

That is how it works.
Freedom of speech allows for polemics.
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Sure. It's also an indication of bias.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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HeIsHere said:
He spends time writing a book no one is forces to buy it.
He has a right to enter into the marketplace of ideas.

And I am not upset.
I just cannot relate to your extreme reactions on this.
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Again, I didn't say he doesn't have the right. I just said he's a hypocrite. If someone says to me I don't feel I can vote for Trump for these reasons, ok. If you say you can't vote Trump but you will vote Biden, I'm gonna call you on it. BUT if you say you can't vote Trump and Christians shouldn't AND I'm voting for Biden, now you've worked your way into hypocrite. Because this guy knows the character of both men and he made this decision during the last election, so it has nothing to do with what's going on today.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
A poster is upset because I called a spade a shovel. This pastor has an entire Youtube page devoted to Donald Trump and, justifying why it's ok to vote for Biden but not Trump. He's written books or a book on it, so he's also making money off this nonsense. There is nothing else on the Youtube page. Nothing about how to get saved, no sermons, alllll about why you should hate Trump like he does. Then they're upset with me when I call him a hypocrite after he admitted he's a Biden voter. smh Some people...
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There is “voting for Biden” or “voting against Trump”. I’m not upset about anything, that’s an emotion which bypasses the intellect.
 
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rrcn said:
There is “voting for Biden” or “voting against Trump”. I’m not upset about anything, that’s an emotion which bypasses the intellect.
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And there's half the country that voted for Trump and will do so again. That still has no bearing on this pastor who won't even admit he's being biased and hypocritical.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Sure. It's also an indication of bias.
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I have not read his book, but in general a bias in indicated when a person is presented with facts and reason

(moral, ethical, legal, philosophical, scientific etc.,) and they continue to favor their own beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.

So I cannot say he is biased unless I know he has been presented with the a factual countervailing position/argument.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Right and another word for that can be hypocrite. And I'm getting flack and red x's for saying so. Pretty funny when people help you make your point.
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Having a bias in not being a hypocrite.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Hey, nowhere did I say he didn't have freedom of speech. I said he's a hypocrite. But he has a right to spew whatever he wants to, just like I have a right to call him on his :poop:.
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I never said you did, I was making my case to @Cameron143 based on his post.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I have not read his book, but in general a bias in indicated when a person is presented with facts and reason

(moral, ethical, legal, philosophical, scientific etc.,) and they continue to favor their own beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.

So I cannot say he is biased unless I know he has been presented with the a factual countervailing position/argument.
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To argue a position, one must know the opposing argument and choose one or the other to support.
Bias isn't necessarily bad, but it's always present.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Having a bias in not being a hypocrite.
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Yes, it is in this situation! lol This person is prejudiced, biased, a hypocrite, you can dance around it all you like. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
 
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Cameron143 said:
To argue a position, one must know the opposing argument and choose one or the other to support.
Bias isn't necessarily bad, but it's always present.
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Truth/reality displaces bias, the problem is the world is a complex place and it is not always easy to get to the full facts on an issue.

This is just emotional once again because it is about Trump.

This emotional rhetoric (in general on YouTube etc.,) and binary thinking is sooo problematic on both sides.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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HeIsHere said:
This is just emotional once again because it is about Trump.
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Nah, not really. Like I said, you can't vote Trump, ok, but you can vote Biden, I got questions. But if you say you can't vote Trump, Christians are wrong for voting Trump but you're voting Biden, now you're being a hypocrite. I just call em as I see em. I'm a pretty straight forward person.
 
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