The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[brightfame52]

The accomplishments of Christ death !

The death of Christ accomplished the full salvation of all for whom He died. His Covenantal Death provides all things so that they He died for are converted to God by Him Rom 8:32

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Now what are some of the all things He gives them He was delivered up for ?

He gives them Justification ! Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

Thats right folks, those Christ died for, was delivered up for, gave them Justification. If it didnt, He would not have been raised again, and they He was delivered for would still be in their sins, charged against them. But His resurrection proves that He and they were Justified before God. The same Truth is in Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men [that He was delivered up for Rom 4:25;8:32] unto justification of life.

So everyone Christ died for, provided with Him, was their Justification to life ! Everyone born into the world as sinners and ungodly enemies, that Christ was delivered for, are born Justified regardless, by the righteousness of one ! 56

 

[brightfame52]

The accomplishments of Christ death !2

He gives them Sanctification ! Heb 10:10

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The writer here says that the believers were sanctified through, by means of, on account of, the offering body of Christ, which simply means His death. Permanent Sanctification is effected for every sinner Christ died for. That means they are born already having been set apart for the Holy Service of God, even though they are as others , born sinners by nature Eph 2:1-3, they still have been sanctified by the death of Christ. Its like Jeremiah, He was sanctified by the purpose of God to be a prophet, before He was born Jer 1:5

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

However that didnt prevent him from being born like all sinners by nature Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;


2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.



Paul said he was like that when born a sinner, does he not apply Eph 2:3 to himself, for he uses the pronoun WE ? Yet instill he knows that he was set apart from his mothers womb Gal 1:15

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

The word separated here means:

1. to appoint, set apart for some purpose
   
   And so it is with every sinner Christ died for, His death sanctified them to the holy purpose of God, regardless of what they are by nature !

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[selahsays]

The atonement is not limited to the elect if God desires all to be saved and come to a saving knowledge of the truth.

Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ is of the elect. —selah

 

[brightfame52]

Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ is of the elect. —selah

Thats True, but they have to be an elect first in order to believe in Christ. Believing in Him is a consequence of Christ having died for them.

 

[Magenta]

Thats True, but they have to be an elect first in order to believe in Christ.

That's not what some believe. In fact SS believes that anyone can choose to believe and then they become elect.

 

[brightfame52]

That's not what some believe. In fact SS believes that anyone can choose to believe and then they become elect.

Yeah thats false

 

[Magenta]

Yeah thats false

I agree. There was a thread made about it...

The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice' - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums

 

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believers are said to have been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

yes, brightfame52 ... believers are begotten again.

teachers who teach that Christ died for people who never are born again, do Christ's death a disservice, a injury, insult and injustice !

teachers who teach that Christ's death was insufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind are ignorant of how precious is the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You do not believe the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ was sufficient to cover all the sins of all mankind ...


1 Peter 1:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
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Everyone Christ lived and died for, by it, were made righteous, or keepers/doers of the law.

Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

You see, all the obedience man owed to the law of God, Christ rendered it to Gods Law for the many He represented Rom 5:19. So in truth and fact, those Christ lived and died for are those who Paul writes of here Rom 2:13

... you do not understand what is written in Romans 5:19 ...
you do not understand what is written in Romans 2:13 ...

you rip Rom 5:19 and Rom 2:13 from the context in which the Author of Scripture has placed the verses in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error ...


Learn what God wants you to know from Romans 2:13 ... learn what God wants you to know from Romans 5:19 ... Read each verse in the context in which God has placed the verse and quit rearranging what God has written. you are so utterly careless with the truth of God's Word ...


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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the only truth in your Post 2535 are the verses you submitted:

Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

... the rest of your post is nothing but the musings of the ... what did you call it??? ... oh yeah, "the lost religionist !"


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Rom 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

please note the qualifier in verse 4 ...

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

A person may be born again and still walk after the flesh. That person ... even though born again ... does not live as though sin was condemned in the flesh.

It is only as we walk after the Spirit that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us ... because He Who overcame sin resides within the born again one and He strengthens the believer so that he or she is no longer weak through the flesh.

God has provided all that is needed for the believer to overcome the weakness of the flesh so that the believer is no longer a slave to sin.

However, if / when the believer sins, God tells us:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

He being their surety savior is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

"to everyone that believeth" is the key, brightfame52.

And until a person believes (i.e. born again), he or she is not in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:1) ... notwithstanding your erroneous claims to the contrary.
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The words turning away above are the greek words apo strephō and means:

1. to turn away
   
   1. to remove anything from anyone
   2. to turn him away from allegiance to any one, to turn away or back (literally or figuratively):—bring again,

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

In Acts 3, Peter was speaking to the crowd of people who had gathered to see the lame man who had been healed (Acts 3:11). The man was 40+ years old (Acts 4:22) and every day he was brought to the temple to ask alms of the people who entered the temple (Acts 3:2).

According to Acts 4:1, Peter's sermon was interrupted by the priests, the sadducees, and the captain of the temple at the point when Peter said:

Acts 3:25-26 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

The words "turning away" are translated from the Greek word apostrephō:

Thayer's Greek Lexicon:​

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3. intransitive, to turn oneself away, turn back, return: ἀπὸ τῶν πονηριῶν, Acts 3:26​

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HELPS Word-studies (bold mine):​

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apostréphō (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies 4762 /stréphō, "to turn") – properly, turn away from, i.e. depart (separate) from the previous point. 654 (apostréphō) emphasizes the personal element involved with turning away or rejecting (L & N, 1, 68.44). ​

The instruction to the Jews in Acts 3:25-26 was that God had raised up His Son, Jesus ... the Lord Jesus Christ was sent to the Jews to turn them away from their iniquities and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Jews who believed were able to overcome their iniquities through the Lord Jesus Christ.

However, there was continued rejection which eventually resulted in Paul's proclamation:

Acts 28:

23 And when they had appointed him [Paul] a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
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Heb 10:14

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Those Christ died for, have by His Death alone, hath been made Perfect, yes whiter than snow, free from every spot and wrinkle before God!

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Five things the death of Christ accomplished for all whom He died!

#1. All for whom Christ died have been made righteous by imputed righteousness Rom 5:19; 2 Cor 5:21; Rom 4:6

#2. All for whom Christ died have had their sins put away before God's law and Justice Jn 1:29; 2Cor 5:19; Dan 9:24; Col 2:14

#3. The death of Christ accomplished for all whom He died, A freedom from the guilt/punishment of sins Heb 1:3

#4. The death of Christ for all whom He died hath for them alone abolished death!

#5. The death of Christ for all whom He died accomplished for them a sure hope of Glorification.

the scripture teaches that those Christ died for are saved or healed by Christ death/stripes alone

The death of Christ alone for them He died for hath accomplished their being made righteous Rom 5:19

they who He died for are healed Isa 53:5

Another Great Blessing that the Death of Christ accomplished for everyone He died for

This He did for every sinner He died for ! They are not guilty of any sins before God !

those Christ died for, by His death alone they have been Justified 1 Cor 6:11

... "all for whom Christ died" ... "those Christ died for" … "them He died for" … "they who He died for" … "everyone He died for" … "every sinner He died for"

the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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John Poole writes in his comments on Isa 53:5 " with his stripes we are healed"

by his sufferings we are saved from our sins, and from the dreadful effects thereof.

appears John Poole quoted directly from Matthew Poole's Commentary:

With his stripes we are healed; by his sufferings we are saved from our sins, and from the dreadful effects thereof.​

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/poole/isaiah/53.htm​

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its a great contradiction to say Christ died for ones sins, and they still be condemned, even if they are in unbelief, which is one of the sins Christ died for !

you need to take that up with God ... for God is the One Who wrote:

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

clearly, he that believes in the Lord Jesus Christ is not condemned.

clearly, he that does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is condemned because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

the cause of his or her condemnation is not sin ... the cause of his or her condemnation is not believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

That reconciliation cannot have taken place if we are under Gods condemnation as some are Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Thats not applicable to unbelievers which Christ died for, no way !

because you conflate what is written in Romans 5:10 with what is written in John 3:18, you reveal that you do not understand what is written in Romans 5:10 or in John 3:18.

I have gone over Romans 5:10 with you numerous times, brightfame52. please believe what is written ... here's more info for you:

Vincent’s note on katallasso is illuminating...​

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“The verb (katallasso) means primarily to exchange, and hence to change the relation of hostile parties into a relation of peace; to reconcile. It is used of both mutual and one sided enmity. In the former case, the context must show on which side is the active enmity. In the Christian sense, the change in the relation of God and man effected through Christ. This involves​

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(1) a movement of God toward man with a view to break down man’s hostility, to commend God’s love and holiness to him, and to convince him of the enormity and the consequence of sin. It is God who initiates this movement in the person and work of Jesus Christ. See notes Romans 5:6, 5:8; 2Cor 5:18, 19, see note Ephesians 1:6; 1 Jn 4:19). Hence the passive form of the verb here: we were made subjects of God’s reconciling act.​

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(2) a corresponding movement on man’s part toward God; yielding to the appeal of Christ’s self-sacrificing love, laying aside his enmity, renouncing his sin, and turning to God in faith and obedience.​

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(3) a consequent change of character in man: the covering, forgiving, cleansing of his sin; a thorough revolution in all his dispositions and principles.​

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(4) a corresponding change of relation on God’s part, that being removed which alone rendered Him hostile to man, so that God can now receive him into fellowship and let loose upon him all His fatherly love and grace (1Jn 1:3, v7). Thus there is complete reconciliation.”​

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=34743​

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Those who do not believe as shown in John 3:18 remain under condemnation ... not because God has not provided what is needed to be reconciled ... but because they do not believe in Him by Whom they are reconciled ... and therefore remain unreconciled and condemned.
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Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

read the next verse, brightfame52 ...

Hebrews 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

The blood of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to sanctify all the people ... those who go forth therefore unto Him are the ones who are sanctified.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Gal 3:13-14

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we[the redeemed] might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

read verse 14 again, brightfame52:

Galatians 3:14 KJV - 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

the promise is received through faith ... just as Abraham had righteousness imputed to him by faith:

Genesis 15:6 And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [God] counted it to him [Abraham] for righteousness.
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[reneweddaybyday]

Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

ripping Romans 4:25 from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it is not proper interpretation of Scripture:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness]was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus

those Christ died for, was delivered up for, gave them Justification. If it didnt, He would not have been raised again

... the Lord Jesus Christ would have risen from the dead even if no one believed ... it was not possible for death to hold Him. I have explained this truth to you many times, brightfame52.

Acts 2:24 Whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Everyone born into the world as sinners and ungodly enemies, that Christ was delivered for, are born Justified regardless, by the righteousness of one !

Absolutely no descendant of Adam is "born Justified". You believe another gospel:

those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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Galatians 1:

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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