CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

[CS1]

Jesus is still building His church today (one soul at a time).
The rapture will not take place until after the last member is added.
Because of His great love for her He has promised to spare her from the coming judgment.

1Th 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

And just as believers were never worthy of salvation…

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

nor could they ever be worthy of being raptured-
especially in the present "Laodicean state" that the church is in today.
Thankfully, the rapture doesn’t depend on works.

its funny I never said works but you concluded that

FYI, Jesus was the one Speaking to the Churches in Rev chapters 1 and 2. Was He not? It was HE who said get ready, it is the ride who must have their lamps filled with oil and we are to watch and pray are we not?

 

[AlwaysCurious]

Like I said to you in my other post I did watch this newest video. And I do like the idea about God's Calendar like what was established from Adam until our current one is this idea of a 360 day year for the 7 year Tribulation. Now of course I realize the gist was a hint towards God saying time would need to be shortened for the sake of the very Elect. So I must ask, is your proposal of a 16 hour day in reference to time shortened for the 7 year tribulation?

Yes. Less time for Satan to achieve his goal to destroy the human race.
The 2nd half of the Tribulation will have 20,160 hours (10,521 fewer hours than today)
(3.5 x 360 x 16 hrs = 20,160 hours)

 

[AlwaysCurious]

its funny I never said works but you concluded that

FYI, Jesus was the one Speaking to the Churches in Rev chapters 1 and 2. Was He not? It was HE who said get ready, it is the ride who must have their lamps filled with oil and we are to watch and pray are we not?

Jesus was the one Speaking to the Churches in Rev chapters 1 and 2. Was He not? YES it was Jesus speaking.
It was HE who said get ready, it is the bride who must have their lamps filled with oil and we are to watch and pray are we not?
NO, the bride will have already been raptured. It's the tribulation saints who need to get ready for the Lord's physical return to set up his 1000 year millennial reign. The rapture = the marriage of the lamb. The Millennium = the marriage supper, to which the tribulation saints are invited guests of the happily married couple (The Lord & his bride)

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Yes. Less time for Satan to achieve his goal to destroy the human race.
The 2nd half of the Tribulation will have 20,160 hours (10,521 fewer hours than today)
(3.5 x 360 x 16 hrs = 20,160 hours)

So it's the same concept then. Interesting. And I see no reason to think it could not happen knowing that God told John the "Days" would need to be shorter for the Elect's sake. In order for the Elect to survive during the Tribulation.

 

[CS1]

Jesus was the one Speaking to the Churches in Rev chapters 1 and 2. Was He not? YES it was Jesus speaking.
It was HE who said get ready, it is the bride who must have their lamps filled with oil and we are to watch and pray are we not?
NO, the bride will have already been raptured. It's the tribulation saints who need to get ready for the Lord's physical return to set up his 1000 year millennial reign. The rapture = the marriage of the lamb. The Millennium = the marriage supper, to which the tribulation saints are invited guests of the happily married couple (The Lord & his bride)

ok lol

 

[AlwaysCurious]

So it's the same concept then. Interesting. And I see no reason to think it could not happen knowing that God told John the "Days" would need to be shorter for the Elect's sake. In order for the Elect to survive during the Tribulation.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Won’t he be ticked when he finds out he’s been shortchanged another 10,521 hours!

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Won’t he be ticked when he finds out he’s been shortchanged another 10,521 hours!

Do you believe the moon will change its obit around the earth as well seeing the Bible says the beast continues for 42 months?

A month is based on the moons phases from new Moon to new moon.42 months is 1260 days on the Hebrew calendar.

So the only way the month could change is if the moons orbit around the earth changed.

Revelation 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.






The saints in Israel will be persecuted for the entire 42 months.Then God brings the nations against the Israeli government and the people who persecuted the saints. Then Christ comes and his elect is gathered to him when the nukes start falling.

 

[AlwaysCurious]

On “Day One” of the 7 Year Tribulation Period, both C.J.Lovik and I are in agreement that…
(Note: The last 3.5 years is referred to as "The Great Tribulation")

Two major astronomical events will occur:

1. The earth’s orbital speed will increase resulting in a return to the ancient 360 day calendar year. (7 yrs x 360 = 2520 days of Tribulation)
2. The moon’s orbital speed will slightly decrease resulting in a return to the ancient 30 day calendar month. (12 months x 30 days = 360)

 

[AlwaysCurious]

Do you believe the moon will change its obit around the earth as well seeing the Bible says the beast continues for 42 months?

A month is based on the moons phases from new Moon to new moon.42 months is 1260 days on the Hebrew calendar.

So the only way the month could change is if the moons orbit around the earth changed.

Revelation 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.






The saints in Israel will be persecuted for the entire 42 months.Then God brings the nations against the Israeli government and the people who persecuted the saints. Then Christ comes and his elect is gathered to him when the nukes start falling.

On “Day One” of the 7 Year Tribulation Period, both C.J.Lovik and I are in agreement that…
(Note: The last 3.5 years is referred to as "The Great Tribulation")

Two major astronomical events will occur:

1. The earth’s orbital speed will increase resulting in a return to the ancient 360 day calendar year. (7 yrs x 360 = 2520 days of Tribulation)
2. The moon’s orbital speed will slightly decrease resulting in a return to the ancient 30 day calendar month. (12 months x 30 days = 360)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

On “Day One” of the 7 Year Tribulation Period, both C.J.Lovik and I are in agreement that…
(Note: The last 3.5 years is referred to as "The Great Tribulation")

Two major astronomical events will occur:

1. The earth’s orbital speed will increase resulting in a return to the ancient 360 day calendar year. (7 yrs x 360 = 2520 days of Tribulation)
2. The moon’s orbital speed will slightly decrease resulting in a return to the ancient 30 day calendar month. (12 months x 30 days = 360)

It took God about 40 days to cleanse the land in the time of Noah.

What makes you think it will take 3.5 years to cleanse the kingdom of all sinners?


I'm expecting it will be over in roughly the same amount of time .45 days at best.

Daniel 12:11-2
From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.



From the day the daily sacrifice is abolished to the abomination of desolation is 1290 days .Where do you get there are another 3.5 years after the abomination of desolation is placed?
I'm only counting 45 days and it is over and done with.

 

[Niki7]

Stoned to death? lol....a little extreme, no? I guess you havent watch his past videos. They're compelling and the his math seems to add up.
Im not saying I am 100% expecting his prophecy to come true, but I certainly don't want to stone another Christian to death if he were wrong.

do you have any idea the damage false prophets incur? and then they just go and dream up another one?

we are not living in OT times nor are the Gentiles the ones the law was given to, but don't expect much positive feedback from God (when all is revealed) where the false prophets are concerned, no matter the age said false prophecy is given

we now have a 'sure' word and Jesus is our Mediator between us and God. We don't need Moses to intervene. People hanging on words of prophets is causing many to fall away from the truth in Christ

 

[AlwaysCurious]

It too k God about 40 days to cleanse the land in the time of Noah.

What makes you think it will take 3.5 years to cleanse the kingdom of all sinners?
I'm expecting it will be over in roughly the same amount of time .45 days at best.
Daniel 12:11-2
From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
From the day the daily sacrifice is abolished to the abomination of desolation is 1290 days .Where do you get there are another 3.5 years after the abomination of desolation is placed?
I'm only counting 45 days and it is over and done with.

I think you are misunderstanding me.
When did I ever say that "it will take 3.5 years to cleanse the kingdom of all sinners"???
All I said is that there are 7 yrs of Tribulation (divided into two equal halves of 3.5 yrs or 42 months)
The latter 42 months is called "The Great Tribulation".
The abomination of desolation is placed in the temple at the mid-point, or between the 2 halves.

 

[AlwaysCurious]

I think you are misunderstanding me.
When did I ever say that "it will take 3.5 years to cleanse the kingdom of all sinners"???
All I said is that there are 7 yrs of Tribulation (divided into two equal halves of 3.5 yrs or 42 months)
The latter 42 months is called "The Great Tribulation".
The abomination of desolation is placed in the temple at the mid-point, or between the 2 halves.

 

[AlwaysCurious]

Mark 13:14-23
D. The Great Tribulation (13:14-23)

13:14-18 Verse 14 marks the middle of the Tribulation Period, the beginning of the Great Tribulation. We know this by comparing this passage with Daniel Dan 9:27. At that time, a great abominable idol will be set up in the temple in Jerusalem. Men will be compelled to worship it or be slain. True believers will, of course, refuse.

The setting up of this idolatrous image will signal the beginning of great persecution. Those who read and believe the Bible will know that the time has come to flee from Judea. There will not be time to gather up personal belongings. Pregnant women and nursing mothers will be at a distinct disadvantage. If it happens in winter, that will add further hazards.

13:19 It will be a time of tribulation greater than anything in the past or the future. It is the Great Tribulation. The Lord Jesus is not speaking here about the general type of tribulation which believers in every age have encountered. This is a period of trouble unique in its intensity.

Notice that the tribulation is primarily Jewish in character. We read of the temple (v. 14, cf. Mat 24:15) and of Judea (v. 14). It is the time of Jacob's trouble (Jer 30:7). The church is not in view here. It will have already been taken to heaven before the Day of the Lord begins (1Th 4:13-18; cf. 1Th 5:1-3).

13:20 The bowls of God's wrath will be poured out on the world in those days. It will be a time of calamity, chaos, and bloodshed. In fact, the slaughter will be so great that God will supernaturally shorten the period of daylight; otherwise no one would survive.

13:21, 22 The Great Tribulation will again witness the rise of false messiahs. People will be so desperate they will turn to anyone who promises them safety. But believers will know that Christ will not appear quietly or unheralded. Even if these false christs perform supernatural wonders (as they will), the elect will not be deceived. They will realize that these miracles are satanically inspired.

Miracles are not necessarily divine. They represent superhuman departures from the known laws of nature but may represent the work of Satan, angels, or demons. The Man of Sin will be given satanic power to perform miracles (2Th 2:9).

13:23 So believers should take heed and be forewarned.

 

[AlwaysCurious]

Mark 13:24-27
E. The Second Advent (13:24-27)

13:24, 25 After that tribulation, there will be startling disturbances in the heavens. Darkness will shroud the earth both by day and by night. The stars of heaven will fall and the powers in the heavens (the forces that keep stellar bodies in orbit) will be shaken.

13:26, 27 Then the awe-struck world will see the Son of Man returning to the earth, not now as the lowly Nazarene but as the glorious Conqueror. He will come in the clouds, escorted by myriads of angelic beings and of glorified saints. It will be a scene of overwhelming power and dazzling splendor. He will dispatch His angels to gather together His elect, that is, all who have acknowledged Him as Lord and Savior during the Tribulation Period. From one end of the earth to the other—from China to Colombia—they will come to enjoy the benefits of His wonderful thousand-year reign on earth. His enemies, however, will be destroyed at the same time.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

On “Day One” of the 7 Year Tribulation Period, both C.J.Lovik and I are in agreement that…
(Note: The last 3.5 years is referred to as "The Great Tribulation")

Two major astronomical events will occur:
1. The earth’s orbital speed will increase resulting in a return to the ancient 360 day calendar year. (7 yrs x 360 = 2520 days of Tribulation)
2. The moon’s orbital speed will slightly decrease resulting in a return to the ancient 30 day calendar month. (12 months x 30 days = 360)

I have a question:

I've not listened to (or watched) his latest video... Are you saying that CJL's view is that "two major astronomical events will occur" (starting at Day One) resulting in a "return to the ancient 360 day calendar year" (for the Trib yrs) ?




To be clear, I did read your other two posts on this, that this is *your* view (I wondered if CJL is saying the same thing).





Many years ago (2006? 2008?) I HAD briefly pondered the idea (as I have done much calendar studies over the years), but ultimately (having arrived at a much better "timeline," for lack of a better word) decided against the idea (that somehow the "calendar year" must change back to a "360-day-year" again [for the Trib yrs] by means of orbital-speed and so forth).

I do agree we factor the timing (of the Dan 9:24-27 "time-prophecy") via "360 days" (and that the Trib [i.e. "70th Week"] will be "2520 days"), I just have come to see that it is not a matter of anything speeding up or slowing down (earth-and-moon-wise).

Sorry, I don't mean to be a downer... Just wanting you to know that I certainly "GET" what you mean.




Just was wondering if CJL also holds that same viewpoint (is that what you were saying here, at top ^ ?)
Thanks! = )

 

[AlwaysCurious]

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I have a question:

I've not listened to (or watched) his latest video... Are you saying that CJL's view is that "two major astronomical events will occur" (starting at Day One) resulting in a "return to the ancient 360 day calendar year" (for the Trib yrs) ?




To be clear, I did read your other two posts on this, that this is *your* view (I wondered if CJL is saying the same thing).





Many years ago (2006? 2008?) I HAD briefly pondered the idea (as I have done much calendar studies over the years), but ultimately (having arrived at a much better "timeline," for lack of a better word) decided against the idea (that somehow the "calendar year" must change back to a "360-day-year" again [for the Trib yrs] by means of orbital-speed and so forth).

I do agree we factor the timing (of the Dan 9:24-27 "time-prophecy") via "360 days" (and that the Trib [i.e. "70th Week"] will be "2520 days"), I just have come to see that it is not a matter of anything speeding up or slowing down (earth-and-moon-wise).

Sorry, I don't mean to be a downer... Just wanting you to know that I certainly "GET" what you mean.




Just was wondering if CJL also holds that same viewpoint (is that what you were saying here, at top ^ ?)
Thanks! = )

Yes he does. He doesn't go into as much detail, but he sates early in the video that on day one the year will change to 360 days and the month to 30 days. (An easy thing for the Lord who controls the universe)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I think you are misunderstanding me.
When did I ever say that "it will take 3.5 years to cleanse the kingdom of all sinners"???
All I said is that there are 7 yrs of Tribulation (divided into two equal halves of 3.5 yrs or 42 months)
The latter 42 months is called "The Great Tribulation".
The abomination of desolation is placed in the temple at the mid-point, or between the 2 halves.

The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem at the time of the end.Not 3.5 years before the time of the end.

The time of the end begins in Daniel 11:40 when the king of the north is attacked by the king of the south.The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem in Daniel 11:44 when he goes forth to destroy and annihilate many.The great tribulation takes place at that time.The time of the end.

there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time


Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.


There is no 3.5 years tribulation after Christ comes and raises the dead.Where do you get there is 3.5 years tribulation after the resurection in verse 2. ???

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I think you are misunderstanding me.
When did I ever say that "it will take 3.5 years to cleanse the kingdom of all sinners"???
All I said is that there are 7 yrs of Tribulation (divided into two equal halves of 3.5 yrs or 42 months)
The latter 42 months is called "The Great Tribulation".
The abomination of desolation is placed in the temple at the mid-point, or between the 2 halves.

That is what is happening during the great tribulation
People are being burned alive.

This is great tribulation.

Zech 14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.



This is the same thing that happened after the United States armed forces placed the abomination of desolation in Hiroshima desolating it.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

People just don't realize what great tribulation is about.