CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

[Shilohsfoal]

Here's what I said (read it carefully):

--scripture calls that "the temple of God" (2Th2:4b; and Rev11:1 which verse clearly DISTINGUISHES "the temple of God" from "THEY that worship THEREIN");

[and]

BTW, Paul, when referencing US as "temple," never uses the "definite article ['the']"... so there's a clue (the AC doesn't "sitteth" IN US!, as some like to suggest);










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Once "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" departs this earth in "our Rapture [IN THE AIR; headed to 1Th3:13's destination!]," there is NO "temple" located on the earth at that point... so NOTHING prevents 2Th2:4 / Rev11:1 from being a tangible structure being legitimately called "the temple of God" (and Irenaeus even spoke of this--if you're into reading what he put, back in the early days)

Well let's see.According to the word of God,the prophets and saints who have died are rewarded at the sound of the seventh Trump.This is after the cloud has ascended from Jerusalem and the great earthquake has struck.
Where do you believe you will be at that time?Will you still be on earth when the kingdom becomes Christs,or will you have already departed before the dead are raised?


Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus is only speaking of them in judea.
They will not even go inside their house to watch TV mews.They will flee in haste to the mountains and hide underground saying to the mountains"fall on us".

The holy place is deep inside the temple. No one can see it. The only one who might be Elbe to see it is the high priest, and a few of the priests who could enter the holy place outside the most holy place.

Luke 23
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Same thing revelation says.

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

revelation 6 is the kings of the earth.

And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

this is a worldwide event, not just jerusalem.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The holy place is deep inside the temple. No one can see it. The only one who might be Elbe to see it is the high priest, and a few of the priests who could enter the holy place outside the most holy place.


revelation 6 is the kings of the earth.

And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

this is a worldwide event, not just jerusalem.

Jesus said this was going to happen to the children (descendents)of the women of Jerusalem.

Luke 23
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.



Doesn't sound like he is talking about the Chinese there.Do you believe Jesus is wrong about who will say to the mountains to "fall on us"?


Revelation 6
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Well let's see.According to the word of God,the prophets and saints who have died are rewarded at the sound of the seventh Trump.This is after the cloud has ascended from Jerusalem and the great earthquake has struck.
Where do you believe you will be at that time?Will you still be on earth when the kingdom becomes Christs,or will you have already departed before the dead are raised?

I already said in my earlier posts... Paul makes it clear that (because of / by reason of [the fact of] "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" 2th2:1), we (the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY) will NOT be present on the earth at the START OF (nor FOR) "the Day of the Lord" (2Th2:2) which itself STARTS with "BIRTH PANG #1" ! (1Th5:3 [/Matt24:4/Mk13:5], i.e. SEAL #1)... which is WELL-BEFORE "Trumpet #7" you are referencing!

Perhaps re-read my posts where I've already stated this info.







[It seems to me, by what I've read of your posts, that you have the "sequence-and-timing" issues all out of whack;
ONE of those issues being "the seventh trumpet" (this isn't sounded at the MID-point when 3.5 yrs are remaining, NOR at the END-point--7 Vials must ALSO take place AFTER the 7 Trumpets before Christ's Second Coming to the earth at Rev19! And yes, the SEALS-TRUMPETS-VIALS are sequential... not recapitulations of each other)]

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus said this was going to happen to the children (descendents)of the women of Jerusalem.

Luke 23
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.



Doesn't sound like he is talking about the Chinese there.Do you believe Jesus is wrong about who will say to the mountains to "fall on us"?


Revelation 6
16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Why do you cut the passage?

rev 6: And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

You can;t cut a passage out of context and be reliable..

Kings of the earth is worldwide.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I already said in my earlier posts... Paul makes it clear that (because of / by reason of [the fact of] "OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" 2th2:1), we (the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY) will NOT be present on the earth at the START OF (nor FOR) "the Day of the Lord" (2Th2:2) which itself STARTS with "BIRTH PANG #1" ! (1Th5:3 [/Matt24:4/Mk13:5], i.e. SEAL #1)... which is WELL-BEFORE "Trumpet #7" you are referencing!

Perhaps re-read my posts where I've already stated this info.







[It seems to me, by what I've read of your posts, that you have the "sequence-and-timing" issues all out of whack;
ONE of those issues being "the seventh trumpet" (this isn't sounded at the MID-point when 3.5 yrs are remaining, NOR at the END-point--7 Vials must ALSO take place AFTER the 7 Trumpets before Christ's Second Coming to the earth at Rev19! And yes, the SEALS-TRUMPETS-VIALS are sequential... not recapitulations of each other)]

From what I've read of Paul's writing he says we will not be gathered to Christ at his coming untill after there has been a falling away and the man of sin is revealed whom the Lord shall consume when he comes to gather us.

This corresponds to what Daniel said about the resurection taking place when the man of sin comes to his end.

Daniel 11:45-12:2
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.


How many years do I you believe you will have left the earth before the man of sin is destroyed in Daniel 11:45 and the resurrection has taken place in Daniel 12:2?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Why do you cut the passage?

rev 6: And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

You can;t cut a passage out of context and be reliable..

Kings of the earth is worldwide.

You don't like scripture from.the bible?

Kings and Leaders are also In Israel where Jesus is talking about the abomination of desolation is placed.

Or are you saying no king will be in Israel when the abomination of desolation is placed?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

From what I've read of Paul's writing he says we will not be gathered to Christ at his coming untill after there has been a falling away and the man of sin is revealed whom the Lord shall consume when he comes to gather us.

And the reason you read that this way (as many mistakenly do) is because you are MIS-DEFINING the phrase "the Day of the Lord" (2Th2:2) and making it INSTEAD to mean "His Second Coming" (as though it COMMENCES / ARRIVES at that point--IT DOESN'T! And I already pointed out why, in several past posts!)





The false claim in v.2 was that it IS PRESENT [perfect indicative (& transitive verb)--PERFECT tense="action completed at a specific point of time IN PAST with results CONTINUING INTO THE PRESENT"], meaning the false claimants (not to be believed) were PURPORTING that it had ALREADY ARRIVED and was unfolding in their present experience... (this is why Paul is BRINGING the CORRECTIVE, per v.1, "we beseech you... BY REASON OF..."... not to believe that false claim [v.2's]).

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ "whom the Lord SHALL [FUTURE TENSE] consume... destroy..." (future to his/the man of sin's "whose COMING / ARRIVAL / ADVENT / PRESENT / PAROUSIA" which is at SEAL #1 at the START of the 7-yr period... which agrees with ALL other related passages ON THIS Subject!)

--"the man of sin BE REVEALED" is at the START of the 7-yr period (NOT when there is 3.5 yrs remaining to the Second Coming);

--This text (coupled with what we know Paul ALREADY told us re: "the DOTL's ARRIVAL" in 1Th5:3) is saying in v.1, "BY REASON OF ...our episynagoges UNTO HIM" [IN THE AIR] that we should believe NO ONE saying "that the day of the day of the Lord [earthly-located time-period of JUDGMENTS unfolding] IS PRESENT" (think: WHY IS THAT?!)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ If we do not grasp properly what it is the FALSE CLAIM is saying (2:2), we misconstrue the point Paul is actually conveying in this text.
And many people do.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

I believe v.18 says, "And the nations were angry, AND THY WRATH CAME..." (that "came" way back at the START of the 7-yr period... it is not saying it is only just now arriving at the 7th Trumpet events! NO!) And so where it says in v.18, "and the time of the dead that they should be judged," this is NOT referencing "the GWTj" point LATER in the chronology [AFTER the 1000 yrs Rev20:5a] (when the "dead [/unsaved of all times]" will be delivered up to be judged, v.13)--see the distinction yet?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You don't like scripture from.the bible?

Kings and Leaders are also In Israel where Jesus is talking about the abomination of desolation is placed.

Or are you saying no king will be in Israel when the abomination of desolation is placed?

I do like scripture.

Thats why when I see the KINGS OF THE EARTH telling the rocks to fall on them. I take it literally.

Jerusalem at this time is run by one king. The king of Rome. Not kings.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

And the reason you read that this way (as many mistakenly do) is because you are MIS-DEFINING the phrase "the Day of the Lord" (2Th2:2) and making it INSTEAD to mean "His Second Coming" (as though it COMMENCES / ARRIVES at that point--IT DOESN'T! And I already pointed out why, in several past posts!)





The false claim in v.2 was that it IS PRESENT [perfect indicative (& transitive verb)--PERFECT tense="action completed at a specific point of time IN PAST with results CONTINUING INTO THE PRESENT"], meaning the false claimants (not to be believed) were PURPORTING that it had ALREADY ARRIVED and was unfolding in their present experience... (this is why Paul is BRINGING the CORRECTIVE, per v.1, "we beseech you... BY REASON OF..."... not to believe that false claim [v.2's]).

How many years do you believe you will have left the earth before the man of sin is destroyed in Daniel 11:45 and the resurrection has taken place in Daniel 12:2?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I do like scripture.

Thats why when I see the KINGS OF THE EARTH telling the rocks to fall on them. I take it literally.

Jerusalem at this time is run by one king. The king of Rome. Not kings.

Rome????

Hahaha


It's not Rome that the Lord raises up to take Jerusalem.There will be many nations in Israel when them in judea flee in zech 14:5.


Zech 14
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I believe v.18 says, "And the nations were angry, AND THY WRATH CAME..." (that "came" way back at the START of the 7-yr period... it is not saying it is only just now arriving at the 7th Trumpet events! NO!) And so where it says in v.18, "and the time of the dead that they should be judged," this is NOT referencing "the GWTj" point LATER in the chronology [AFTER the 1000 yrs Rev20:5a] (when the "dead [/unsaved of all times]" will be delivered up to be judged, v.13)--see the distinction yet?

No, the wrath of God takes place at this time.

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.




The lake of fire has just arrived.It is at this time that the tares are cast into the fire.At the sound of the seventh trump when the kingdom becomes Christs.

Mathew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.



It is also at the sound of the seventh Trump that Jesus's elect are gathered to him.

Mathew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


How many years do you say you will.leave earth before the last trump is blown,?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ Where does anything in Rev11 speak of saints being "gathered"? (you are reading that INTO this text).



Also, COMPARE the text of Matthew 24:29-31 (GREAT trumpet) to that of Isaiah 27:9,12-13... to ascertain just WHO it is being "gathered"... and IN WHAT MANNER they are being gathered... and to WHAT LOCATION they are being gathered... and BY WHOM they are being gathered... and then you will begin to grasp that these persons are NOT "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (US) NOR is it speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR--with its destination LOCATION being disclosed in 1Th3:13! UP THERE!]--In EVERY WAY *DISTINCT* from that of Matt24:29-31 / Isaiah 27:9,12-13[,Dan9:24 / Rom11:27]... ALL ABOUT "ISRAEL" (the believing remnant) and THEIR future!



NOTHING in Jesus' Olivet Discourse is covering the Subject of "our Rapture"!


(Everything from Matt24:4 onward [thru 2 chpts] is covering what WILL take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture"!)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

How many years do you say you will.leave earth before the last trump is blown,?

I never said such a thing.



Your surmising that the "7th Trumpet" (of the set of 7 Trumpets [judgment]) is EQUATED with both the "GREAT" trumpet and the "LAST" trumpet is not correct. I do not agree.

I do NOT equate these (as you do), but see them ALL as being distinct, with distinct PURPOSES (and wholly distinct time-slots).






I see the "LAST" trumpet (at which "our Rapture" takes place) is associated rather with the LAST TIME that "The FIRST and the LAST" [Person(Rev1:10-11)]'s voice spake like a Trumpet... and THAT is PRIOR to when He will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13 / Rev5:6) by opening the FIRST SEAL at the START of the 7-yr Trib (so PRIOR TO THAT!)

This is why we see ALREADY-AWARDED "stephanous/crowns" on people, with their ALREADY-PROMISED "LEUKOIS HIMATIOIS" before the Trib (the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period 1:1/1:19c/4:1) even begins!
(the BEMA has already taken place UP THERE by the time Jesus opens the FIRST SEAL releasing the man of sin "IN HIS TIME" [the 7-yr Trib])

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

--"LAST trumpet"

--"7 Trumpets" (a part of the judgments)

--"GREAT trumpet"





These are all DISTINCT (having distinct PURPOSES).

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I never said such a thing.



Your surmising that the "7th Trumpet" (of the set of 7 Trumpets [judgment]) is EQUATED with both the "GREAT" trumpet and the "LAST" trumpet is not correct. I do not agree.

I do NOT equate these (as you do), but see them ALL as being distinct, with distinct PURPOSES (and wholly distinct time-slots).






I see the "LAST" trumpet (at which "our Rapture" takes place) is associated rather with the LAST TIME that "The FIRST and the LAST" [Person's] voice spake like a Trumpet... and THAT is PRIOR to when He will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13 / Rev5:6) by opening the FIRST SEAL at the START of the 7-yr Trib (so PRIOR TO THAT!) This is why we see ALREADY-AWARDED "stephanous/crowns" on people, with their ALREADY-PROMISED "LEUKOIS HIMATIOIS" before the Trib (the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period 1:1/1:19c/4:1) even begins! (the BEMA has already taken place UP THERE by the time Jesus opens the FIRST SEAL releasing the man of sin "IN HIS TIME" [the 7-yr Trib])

You believe the last trump is not the last trump ?
You believe the last trump is blown before the first Trump,?

Let's see,here is the first Trump.

Revelation 8
The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.



Where do you see the last trump is blown before the last trump,?

Or can you show us where the last trump is in fact not the last trump when the saints of God are rewarded and the temple in heaven is opened?




Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

--"LAST trumpet"

--"7 Trumpets" (a part of the judgments)

--"GREAT trumpet"





These are all DISTINCT (having distinct PURPOSES).

I would say the last and seventh Trump is in fact a great trumpet seeing the kingdom of this world becomes Christs and he reigns at that time.


Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.