The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Ok thankyou, I have sent my resume by email. All the best with your studies.

You are the exact TYPE of "christian" I want nothing to do with. Such people are impossible.

I asked you to send me a paper, that you wrote, that fully explains the Gospel. What do you do? You send me a pdf of the King James Bible. You then mock me by letting you know if I have any questions.

You are blocked from my email address as well as here. You should be removed from this forum.

 

[Moses_Young]

You are the exact TYPE of "christian" I want nothing to do with. Such people are impossible.

I asked you to send me a paper, that you wrote, that fully explains the Gospel. What do you do? You send me a pdf of the King James Bible. You then mock me by letting you know if I have any questions.

You are blocked from my email address as well as here. You should be removed from this forum.

Perhaps it was intended as a joke? It was pretty funny, if so. Remember that a wise man overlooks an insult.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Perhaps it was intended as a joke? It was pretty funny, if so. Remember that a wise man overlooks an insult.

I have cancer, so the last thing that I'm looking for in this life is "christians" playing these kinds of games with one another. If we can't treat each other with respect at this forum, then I shouldn't be here. I definitely wouldn't belong to such to a group that thinks this kind of thing is "funny." How disgusting.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I think it's important to allow God to direct our path and define what sin is since it's what separated man from God Isa 59:2

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

To claim there is no law, which means there is no sin is really not a good argument. Have you looked around? Read the papers lately? Is this your view of a world of no more sin, no more tears? Sin will not be removed from the world until Jesus comes therefore His law will be here until Jesus comes just like He said Mat 5:18-19

Being without law really puts one in a bad spot come Judgement Day if we are to believe the very Words of Jesus

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Because
Prov 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


The law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ until faith. So many miss this important principle, they think they can skip the step about keeping the law until faith comes and still be in Christ, but Jesus in His own Words says depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.

God's law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 so we can't skip this very important step, that we can bypass the law and be converted in Christ. Once faith comes it establishes the law Rom 3:31

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

So when we keep God's law it brings us to Christ until faith comes. which we do not void the law through faith we establish it and once in Christ He gives us the power to keep the law. John 14:15-18. There is nowhere in this equation where we are free to sin and break God's law in any scripture of the bible.

Previously we seemed to agree, not sure what happened, but at any rate, guess no point in going through it again, so I wish you well and hope you will consider these scriptures in prayer.

There is no sense in continuing, for our base understanding of the Bible is wildly different. Plus, as you can see, this thread has turned completely evil, so I wan't nothing to do with it from here on out. You all can go round and round with each other . . . the Bible is clear, that what the majority of you are doing is complete foolishness. Fight with each other . . . fine. It's like God casting out God.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Precisely. Within the context of the Story of God, the Story of the Bible, the idea that the Law never comes to and end simply doesn't fit.

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. …Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

….But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.( he’s the elect ) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 19, 23, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When the gospel came forth the law was about to be removed when he died and all he said became his law

 

[Moses_Young]

I have cancer, so the last thing that I'm looking for in this life is "christians" playing these kinds of games with one another. If we can't treat each other with respect at this forum, then I shouldn't be here. I definitely wouldn't belong to such to a group that thinks this kind of thing is "funny." How disgusting.

Have you tried ivermectin? I've read it is quite good for killing cancer.

 

[Magenta]

I have cancer...

I'm so sorry to hear that! Is it treatable? Are you currently receiving treatments? Please excuse my questions... I went through cancer treatments and had multiple surgeries through 2020 to 2022, and am still dealing with side effects from chemo.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I'm so sorry to hear that! Is it treatable? Are you currently receiving treatments? Please excuse my questions... I went through cancer treatments and had multiple surgeries through 2020 to 2022, and am still dealing with side effects from chemo.

Thank you, Magenta. I'm going to leave the details of my circumstance to myself. Our attention, however, should be on removing the people here, who are costing ownership so much money in donations. These disruptors are costing ownership thousands per month and I'd like to see them removed. If not, then I'll leave . . . again. And the people can simply keep devouring each other . . . EXACTLY what we are commanded NOT to do. It's disgusting and I hate it.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you, Magenta. I'm going to leave the details of my circumstance to myself. Our attention, however, should be on removing the people here, who are costing ownership so much money in donations. These disruptors are costing ownership thousands per month and I'd like to see them removed. If not, then I'll leave . . . again. And the people can simply keep devouring each other . . . EXACTLY what we are commanded NOT to do. It's disgusting and I hate it.

You realize this is a public discussion forum and you’ll run into a lot of different types of people here . Brother you have said you’re here to practice for the real world . In the real world you’ll never have a time without contention of your preaching the gospel . We as Christian’s have to learn to deal with those we feel are disrupting us the whole world is going to be trying to do that to Christian’s

awe can’t remove people from the earth if we’re planning on preaching the gospel to them how would anyone ever have a change of heart and mind if we just remove people away from a discussion forum for discussing the Bible

The real world isn’t friendly all the time either and there’s always some distractions and disruptions . No matter who is getting to you if it’s many or one of it’s me or anyone else you have an ignore button so you’d never have to read another word and be disrupted . Contention is part of the world we’re in we don’t have to partake of it but also can’t leave the world or chase everyone else out of it because we don’t like thier style or understand thier words

If you had a private forum one could control it much better and sort of decide what’s allowed there by thier own choice but then you have just w denomination teaching it’s views

a lot of the people I disagree with here jesus is thier lord too try th at ignore button ot works wonders when your nerves get to you because or arguing and things

 

[Cameron143]

Thank you, Magenta. I'm going to leave the details of my circumstance to myself. Our attention, however, should be on removing the people here, who are costing ownership so much money in donations. These disruptors are costing ownership thousands per month and I'd like to see them removed. If not, then I'll leave . . . again. And the people can simply keep devouring each other . . . EXACTLY what we are commanded NOT to do. It's disgusting and I hate it.

One of the great strengths of the early church was its ability to take negative situations and turn them into platforms of opportunity.
The field of this site is white unto harvest. Bloom where you are planted.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Have you tried ivermectin? I've read it is quite good for killing cancer.

You realize this is a public discussion forum and you’ll run into a lot of different types of people here .

Are you serious? Why would you ever say something like that? What is wrong with you people?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

One of the great strengths of the early church was its ability to take negative situations and turn them into platforms of opportunity.
The field of this site is white unto harvest. Bloom where you are planted.

Cameron . . . I will leave this to you. I would much rather deal with people face to face instead of keyboard cowards who enjoy bullying at the sake of Christ's Holy Name.

Titus 3:10 NLT - "If people are causing divisions among you, give a first and second warning. After that, have nothing more to do with them."

If you want to take a path other than the one above, that's on you.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Are you serious? Why would you ever say something like that? What is wrong with you people?

Because I’d rather see you stay here than leave . I like reading some of the things you post . And was hoping you would see using your ignore button as an alternative.

 

[ThewindBlows]

You are the exact TYPE of "christian" I want nothing to do with. Such people are impossible.

I asked you to send me a paper, that you wrote, that fully explains the Gospel. What do you do? You send me a pdf of the King James Bible. You then mock me by letting you know if I have any questions.

You are blocked from my email address as well as here. You should be removed from this forum.

Man you are uptight and you really posted my email on a public forum, dodgy guy, you actually said this that I quoted and replied to

Tell me about your studies. To what depths have you personally taken to understand the Bible? In other words, what are your credentials that would cause a person to think that perhaps you might understand the Story of God?

So if I can't say the bible what is the alternative...That I learnt it from man? I might end up like you. Sorry if you don't like the bible but it is the only chance for you to learn the truth. and the only thing I had to give.

 

[ThewindBlows]

Thank you, Magenta. I'm going to leave the details of my circumstance to myself. Our attention, however, should be on removing the people here, who are costing ownership so much money in donations. These disruptors are costing ownership thousands per month and I'd like to see them removed. If not, then I'll leave . . . again. And the people can simply keep devouring each other . . . EXACTLY what we are commanded NOT to do. It's disgusting and I hate it.

With all the things you accuse the church of and trying to bring in another Gospel maybe you should be the one that is removed

 

[Dino246]

The Law of Moses is too often equated as the Law of Christ but is only power was to bring death, and Christ is missing from the Law with His only substance in it as that of His shadow. What sensible being would try to take hold of a shadow, when it seems obvious that would only be an exercise in futility, especially when the substance is Him which stands so near to as to be enveloped into His embrace?

The is a false but powerful comfort in pretending to adhere to the Law. It provides both self-righteousness and self-deception in one package.

 

[Mem]

The is a false but powerful comfort in pretending to adhere to the Law. It provides both self-righteousness and self-deception in one package.

I was looking for a packaged deal, but this has a self-reliance anti-theft device attached to it, which means it can't be purchased through the self-check-out.

It's just as well since I'm flat broke so I guess my only option is to live with the embarrassment of accepting the free gift.

Oh, but wait! I don't have to be embarrassed! Because although others may have a lot more credit than I do, there is no one that has enough to purchase anything other than a knock-off, and the genuine gift can never be discounted or placed for sale.

 

[Inquisitor]

I think it's important to allow God to direct our path and define what sin is since it's what separated man from God Isa 59:2

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

To claim there is no law, which means there is no sin is really not a good argument. Have you looked around? Read the papers lately? Is this your view of a world of no more sin, no more tears? Sin will not be removed from the world until Jesus comes therefore His law will be here until Jesus comes just like He said Mat 5:18-19

Being without law really puts one in a bad spot come Judgement Day if we are to believe the very Words of Jesus

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Because
Prov 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


The law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ until faith. So many miss this important principle, they think they can skip the step about keeping the law until faith comes and still be in Christ, but Jesus in His own Words says depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.

God's law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 so we can't skip this very important step, that we can bypass the law and be converted in Christ. Once faith comes it establishes the law Rom 3:31

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

So when we keep God's law it brings us to Christ until faith comes. which we do not void the law through faith we establish it and once in Christ He gives us the power to keep the law. John 14:15-18. There is nowhere in this equation where we are free to sin and break God's law in any scripture of the bible.

Previously we seemed to agree, not sure what happened, but at any rate, guess no point in going through it again, so I wish you well and hope you will consider these scriptures in prayer.

The law also defines sin but you can add the deeds of the flesh.

Mark 7:20-23
And He was saying, “That which comes out of the person, that is what defiles the person. For from within, out of the hearts of people, come the evil thoughts, acts of sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, deeds of greed, wickedness, deceit, indecent behavior, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile the person.”

You can also add the love of money, unforgiveness, selfishness, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, etc.

"out of the hearts of people, come the evil thoughts"

All the behavior, deeds, evil thoughts, your conversation, you commit in life stem from the heart.

There is not a defined list of what constitutes sin.

The law is a small portion of what defines sin.

You have been poorly taught.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The law also defines sin but you can add the deeds of the flesh.

Mark 7:20-23
And He was saying, “That which comes out of the person, that is what defiles the person. For from within, out of the hearts of people, come the evil thoughts, acts of sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, deeds of greed, wickedness, deceit, indecent behavior, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile the person.”

You can also add the love of money, unforgiveness, selfishness, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, etc.

"out of the hearts of people, come the evil thoughts"

All the behavior, deeds, evil thoughts, your conversation, you commit in life stem from the heart.

There is not a defined list of what constitutes sin.

The law is a small portion of what defines sin.

You have been poorly taught.

All you have to do is read just a little bit further up in Mark starting at verse 7 where Jesus says sins starts and from what which is a result of Mark 7:20-23

Believing Paul (Rom 7:7) James (James 2:10-12) and Jesus (Mat 5:19-30 May 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 7:23) at their word is not being taught poorly but believe what you want.

 

[mailmandan]

Do you know what is amusing about these Seventh Day Adventists? By their own doctrine, they admit they are still alive to the Law of sin and death.

Seventh Day Adventists teach a "different" gospel that culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9) Here is a statement below in blue written by a previous member of Christian Chat who was SDA which proves my point.

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Seventh Day Adventists also teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Bible Truth Versus SDA Doctrine - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)