The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

[ForestGreenCook]

So you will continue to make God out to be an Evil God because it does not align with your view of scripture.

Sad

Isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.





god instructed Israel, in one of there battles, to take no spoils, but to kill every living thing, every man woman and child. A-chan brought back some spoils of jewels and him and his family were stoned to death.

God is just in all of his commandments, and his ways are higher than our ways.

 

[Genez]

Pharaoh's statement did not show reverence to God. He falsely made this statement in an attempt to end the plagues. Moses's answer to him in Exodus 9:30 - As for thee and thy servants, I know that ye will not yet fear the Lord God.

Whatever you say....

has gone on record.

 

[Magenta]

Wow! Interesting stuff going on up in here. View attachment 263811 And to think this thread began with the beautiful topic of Election/predestination and free will. Then someone started slinging hash because they didn’t get it. Yikes! I better skedaddle.

That's an interesting way for you to misrepresent a thread that was started to highlight your unbiblical position on who the elect are. I had higher hopes for you!

 

[Niki7]

…and so are posts between two people about a third person. This thread began in that way. Why don’t you just tell us all what you believe, back it up with scripture, and end the misery for us all? I’m sure in your opinion, it will be right.

no this thread did not begin to talk about people

that is simply an idea that 3 of you, with one now banned, decided would make a good story

thing is, you, mr banned and selah decided to accuse me with false statements and accusations. maybe correct the way you operate before telling others how they should act

 

[Genez]

Wow! Interesting stuff going on up in here. View attachment 263811 And to think this thread began with the beautiful topic of Election/predestination and free will. Then someone started slinging hash because they didn’t get it. Yikes! I better skedaddle.

We have been elected IN Christ.

So to speak... as Eve was 'elected" in Adam.
For her body was out from Adam.

In the Resurrection?
We shall be bone of his bones and glorious flesh of His own glorious everlasting flesh! His Bride!

Not all have been CHOSEN to be the Bride of Christ. Only those who God predetermined shall be!

He predestined us to be born during the Church age.
Because, He chose us IN Him before the foundation of the world...... to be His Bride!

Its beyond our imagination how wonderful it will become and remain forever and ever!

Blinded Calvinists become like dour morticians. All they see is death around them.

So it must be while God wants us to make our choices ...


grace and peace ..............

 

[Niki7]

Golly. I didn't realize I really haven't visited the site for two weeks?, busy season at work (hope everyone had a happy Mother's Day, btw!). I was generated at page 24 have finally only now all caught up just to find @Niki7 has gotten over the whole thing (which appeared to be as exhausting as the work week I've just finished). However, I do recall making a mental note that there really is not point in entering into any discussion as long as the lightning rod of discussion remain erected and although is now among the 'non-erect,' I'm not sure if it be rude toward my sister to continue in discussion without her blessing....

it has been a long long time since I began a thread and the way this one went, offers a reason as to why not

more than half the thread is false, nonsense, stone throwers throwing stones, and people identifying as the supposed reason I started it

my conscience is clear. I have never started a thread to talk about people behind their back and it is common knowledge that many threads are started to discuss something that came up in another thread.

I cannot imagine the trouble some people cause in church...or probably not because they come here to do what they could not get away with in church

thanks

 

[Mem]

it has been a long long time since I began a thread and the way this one went, offers a reason as to why not

more than half the thread is false, nonsense, stone throwers throwing stones, and people identifying as the supposed reason I started it

my conscience is clear. I have never started a thread to talk about people behind their back and it is common knowledge that many threads are started to discuss something that came up in another thread.

I cannot imagine the trouble some people cause in church...or probably not because they come here to do what they could not get away with in church

thanks

It's absolutely understandable to try to get a better understanding of an idea, especially if those presenting it as truth are having difficulty expressing it in a way that can be received as deniably true. I totally get that.

 

[Niki7]

It's absolutely understandable to try to get a better understanding of an idea, especially if those presenting it as truth are having difficulty expressing it in a way that can be received as deniably true. I totally get that.

you've been here since '14....myself since about 17 or 18. It seems this forum has somehow been filtered down to just a few topics ~ law keeping (or not), why Calvinism is right vs why it is not right, spiritual gifts no longer exist unless they do and several other variables including those that raise an eyebrow.

I would think the spoon to stir it all up would be worn down to a spllnter by now

 

[Mem]

you've been here since '14....myself since about 17 or 18. It seems this forum has somehow been filtered down to just a few topics ~ law keeping (or not), why Calvinism is right vs why it is not right, spiritual gifts no longer exist unless they do and several other variables including those that raise an eyebrow.

I would think the spoon to stir it all up would be worn down to a spllnter by now

It must need be so to reveal them that are approved, of whom are those that characteristically glisten in the son as nutritious stalks of wheat. The better when the time comes that the Lord sends out His angels to spray for weeds to reap the harvest the of the better yield of the earth.

As I understand it, tares are rather hollow so I'm not sure they can be as easily whittled down to any point of sharpness.

 

[Niki7]

It must need be so to reveal them that are approved, of whom are those that characteristically glisten in the son as nutritious stalks of wheat. The better when the time comes that the Lord sends out His angels to spray for weeds to reap the harvest the of the better yield of the earth.

As I understand it, tares are rather hollow so I'm not sure they can be as easily whittled down to any point of sharpness.

True. Can sometimes be a little hard on the non-tares tho

 

[Mem]

True. Can sometimes be a little hard on the non-tares tho

As is the intention of that which scattered them among the wheat, yes. But as we've seen, yanking them up is a relief to the more mature stalks but stress the most tender shoots.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Isaiah 45:7 - I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.





god instructed Israel, in one of there battles, to take no spoils, but to kill every living thing, every man woman and child. A-chan brought back some spoils of jewels and him and his family were stoned to death.

God is just in all of his commandments, and his ways are higher than our ways.

That was nto evil.

God is not evil. nor can he be tempted by evil. and he will nto temp anyone to do evil.

 

[Jeraboo]

I don't know. This thread evolved out of another wherein someone said that the elect are chosen by God and have no choice in salvation and the rest of us poor beggars are free to choose. When I asked for proof scriptures, I was given a mashup of unrealted verses that supposedly indicated that belief.

If you do re-find that site, I would be interested to take a look.

Thanks for your input...there are some very strange beliefs out there and they keep popping up.

So... maybe not what is intended here, but a word study was done on 'elect' it shows a distinction from 'free choice' and on the matter of 'free choice', something I heard was pretty fascinating about 'free choice' - the concept is that we have free choice of what 'influences' us, meaning, we freely choose to be influenced by darkness, or we freely choose to be influenced by the light. It suggests that our 'free choice' isn't free of influence at all, but more of a matter of choice of what influences us Hope that makes sense!

 

[selahsays]

So... maybe not what is intended here, but a word study was done on 'elect' it shows a distinction from 'free choice' and on the matter of 'free choice', something I heard was pretty fascinating about 'free choice' - the concept is that we have free choice of what 'influences' us, meaning, we freely choose to be influenced by darkness, or we freely choose to be influenced by the light. It suggests that our 'free choice' isn't free of influence at all, but more of a matter of choice of what influences us Hope that makes sense!

Ah! …another one!

Yes, with free will, we have a choice. With election, we are chosen by God. Read Ephesians 1.

 

[Jeraboo]

Ah! …another one!

Yes, with free will, we have a choice. With election, we are chosen by God. Read Ephesians 1.

Here's a free class, if anyone's interested; goes deep into the language of the context here
https://bibleproject.com/classroom/ephesians/modules/3/

 

[Niki7]

So... maybe not what is intended here, but a word study was done on 'elect' it shows a distinction from 'free choice' and on the matter of 'free choice', something I heard was pretty fascinating about 'free choice' - the concept is that we have free choice of what 'influences' us, meaning, we freely choose to be influenced by darkness, or we freely choose to be influenced by the light. It suggests that our 'free choice' isn't free of influence at all, but more of a matter of choice of what influences us Hope that makes sense!

uh...I was replying to someone about a site they could not find

the last thing I want to do is go over elect vs non-elect but maybe someone else will take you up on it

although, that is not at all what the op was about

 

[Jeraboo]

uh...I was replying to someone about a site they could not find

the last thing I want to do is go over elect vs non-elect but maybe someone else will take you up on it

although, that is not at all what the op was about

sorry, no worries, thanks for claryifying all good!

 

[Niki7]

sorry, no worries, thanks for claryifying all good!

no problem

you might want to try this thread if you want to discuss that topic

the thread was originally about salvation being a gift to us from God but a thread usurper came along and converted it for there own purposes

 

[Mem]

uh...I was replying to someone about a site they could not find

the last thing I want to do is go over elect vs non-elect but maybe someone else will take you up on it

although, that is not at all what the op was about

I finally found the site I was thinking of after digging through a mountain of entries that are spinoffs of Arnold Murray's Shepherd's Chapel ministries. It is basically an online copy of a book written by a husband-and-wife team, David and Zoe, God's Plan For All. I don't recall which specific excerpt of it that the search engine retrieved when I initially searched using keys words that I used I used going by the summarization of the ideas expressed in a particular post I had encountered (something on the elect and the first earth age). So, I'm not sure this is exactly the idea's origination came of a common source as the other, or if it is only just another variation. Forgive the run on sentences, but there it is.

 

[BeeBlessed]

no this thread did not begin to talk about people

that is simply an idea that 3 of you, with one now banned, decided would make a good story

thing is, you, mr banned and selah decided to accuse me with false statements and accusations. maybe correct the way you operate before telling others how they should act

@Niki7 …. On another thread, your exact words were the following: “There is nothing whatsoever in the Bible that will agree with your beliefs about the elect are chosen and the rest of us poor slobs get to choose. Nothing.”

That statement was the basis for this thread. No one EVER accused you of being “unchosen,” or in your own words, one of “the rest of us poor slobs” who have free choice.

The fact is, you jumped on what you believed to be false doctrine that actually was not. You may not agree with another Christian’s interpretation of election, but if you don’t, just provide scriptural evidence so we can ALL benefit. People often disagree on interpretations of scripture. It happens all the time here, and people have vigorous debates. That’s great. But there is never any reason to be mean-spirited when we disagree; unfortunately, however, many are. CC has lots of “extra-grace-required” people here trying to participate and learn—people who NEED fellowship and encouragement. Some of them may not agree with you, even when you think you have a question all together worked out. Maybe their persistence in “interrupting” is no more than attempt to get you to see something you may not have considered—or maybe they (or you) just don’t understand. That is NO reason to label someone “divisive.”

As far as false accusations go, you have made QUITE a few. I am not trying to tell you how to act. The Spirit should be producing fruit….
I have no power to make it grow in you.

Believe me, I won’t post on this thread again—unless I see more name-calling or unkind
remarks or people banned just because their presence is not wanted in a debate.