Because I sent you two relatively lengthy emails, both of which you ignored, we should probably maintain that energy and elect to not share with one another. I don't have such time to waste. Best of luck to you . . .
The Law Is Out Of Date And Will "SOON DISAPPEAR"?
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Because I sent you two relatively lengthy emails, both of which you ignored, we should probably maintain that energy and elect to not share with one another. I don't have such time to waste. Best of luck to you . . .
Oh my, you did! I'm sorry about that, I was out of town for a while and must have missed responding, my apologies. I can go back and read those.
And the same also to you I hope on the future we can find some agreement elsewhere God bless and keep youOkay, I wish you well.
Amen indeed there is none like himGod is awesome, right? I'm sure we can agree on that.
Thanks. I have no preference although I'm used to searching English in the NKJ. I'll go to Greek and maybe other English ones when I think it's necessary.
I think the NLT is taking some liberties here. Here's why:
- The context here is the pre-Law, pre-circumcision of Abraham to establish that righteousness is from faith not Law.
- God made His promises to Abraham pre-Law, pre-circ, so those promises are passed down not through Law but through faith.
- Then came Law from which comes wrath for violating Law.
It is the purpose of the law that gets called into question. For believers, it was a tutor that led us to Christ,
after which, we are no longer under the law, but grace, by faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.
Some jump from that to assuming or accusing those who believe what Scripture says on this that we
somehow believe we are free to break the law, and yet even they are not sinless, since as believers
they still break the law also. Condemnation under the law is reserved for unbelievers.
Thank you. I mostly agree with you. It's amazing how much of this is still not agreed upon after 2,000 years.
The question remains for @2ndTimothyGroup as to whether the Laws exist or don't exist or whether something else was meant by "exist".
Thank you for clarifying, as I have not read all the posts that led up to the one I quoted...
Hello friendly friends,
I am working my way through Day 356 of the timeline, chronological study plan and in this set of unbelievable Scripture, arises this matter of the Levitical Law and its expiration date.
Hebrews 8:13 KJV - 13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 NLT - 13 When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
There is plenty of Scripture to demonstrate that the Law has been removed as of the Resurrection of Christ.
I, at this time, believe that the Law has been extinct for a couple thousand years, but I need to make sure that I am, gulp, "right" about this belief.
Thank you to all who participate with the maturity that only comes from the same Love that the Father has for His Holy Son (should the Lord have placed it within you).
Messianic Jews (Hebrews) 8:13
By using the term, "new," he has made the first covenant "old"; and something being made old, something in the process
of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether. Messianic Jewish Version
By using the term, "new," he has made the first covenant "old." Is one to infer that the Jewish holidays, Shabbat, kashrut, civil laws,
and moral laws of the Mosaic Covenant are on the verge of vanishing altogether? No! The Mosaic Covenant presents itself as
eternal. The "old" Torah continues, and continues to have its same purpose, but now there is a new High Priesthood being
introduced. We do not know when the "old" covenant will vanish; but we do know that Yeshua said, "Until heaven and earth
pass away, not so much as ayudor a stroke will pass from the Torah---not until everything that must happen has happened."
Shalom
Thank you for clarifying, as I have not read all the posts that led up to the one I quoted...
Wish they had "You're Welcome" button.
You're confusing the FINAL JUDGEMENT with a personal judgement. (1 Cor 11:31)
There's only one Judgement.
We can examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith and lots of scripture show how one is in the faith of Jesus, but the only judgement that matters is when we stand before Jesus Christ on that Great Day 2 Cor 5:10
It is finished. And asking, "what is it?" brings to mind Faith No More's lyrics from their song Epic, although I'm sure they'd never figured out 'what is it' seeing that they'd answered it with "It's it." And Spin magazine quoted Patton remarking on their success with the song, and the adoration of their fans, saying, "(bleep), it's not right. I've never had anyone look up to me and take what I say as gospel. Being so young, I don't know (bleep); I'm in no position to talk down to anyone." But indeed, they'd hit on that one question that everyone hopes to discover. What is it?
Hello friendly friends,
I am working my way through Day 356 of the timeline, chronological study plan and in this set of unbelievable Scripture, arises this matter of the Levitical Law and its expiration date.
Hebrews 8:13 KJV - 13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13 NLT - 13 When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
There is plenty of Scripture to demonstrate that the Law has been removed as of the Resurrection of Christ.
I, at this time, believe that the Law has been extinct for a couple thousand years, but I need to make sure that I am, gulp, "right" about this belief.
Thank you to all who participate with the maturity that only comes from the same Love that the Father has for His Holy Son (should the Lord have placed it within you).
Hi friend, discussing the law on an open forum is a brave endeavor : )
On your point of the law been extinct Jesus said in Mathew 5:18 Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So to start the convo the law was given because of transgressions and by law is the knowledge of sin. So when people realize they fall short of the Glory of God and all have sinned they should realise they are a sinner and need a savior, so the law can't be done away because the world has a lot of sinners and Jesus came to save sinners, so it still is very relevant for sinners
To say the law will soon disappear is to say we will live in a lawless world.
Like the laws of nature they are set to keep order. No gravity, no photosynthesis, no laws of quantum mechanics and this world world not exist.
God set moral laws to protect us from and define sin.
No law = no sin. If we can't sin it would be an evil world with no order and no reason to change. No morals
Jesus was the living example of keeping the law. Love and order.
Like the laws of nature they are set to keep order. No gravity, no photosynthesis, no laws of quantum mechanics and this world world not exist.
God set moral laws to protect us from and define sin.
No law = no sin. If we can't sin it would be an evil world with no order and no reason to change. No morals
Jesus was the living example of keeping the law. Love and order.