Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ZNP]

The Election Fraud case is falling apart and will probably wind up with Fanni Willis being dismissed from the case and the entire DA's office having to be dismissed.

The Hush money case is also falling apart and will probably wind up with Michael Cohen going to jail for lying to congress.

The Documents case has also been postponed until after the election. It is possible that Jack Smith will be found to have violated Trump's rights and the case being dismissed, perhaps even with action taken against Jack Smith.

It appears that in all three cases Trump will not be found guilty prior to the election, and if he is elected president they cannot continue these trials until after his four year term is up.

Either you believe in coincidences or else you believe that Biden is using lawfare to go after political opponents. What's next? Attacking Jews? Making the Bible illegal? For all we know girls complaining about men in the women's locker room will be accused of hate speech or some other crime.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Sheriff’s Deputy Fired Over Jan. 6 Secures Nearly $400,000 In Settlement

Former Bexar County Lt. Roxanne Mathai has won a large settlement after suing her former employer.

Love it!!

 

[studier]

One thing we learned from the life he lived was to trust in God no matter how tough things get. In the end, with Him, we will always win.

Whether or not his eschatology was correct, it seems he knew enough.

 

[studier]

I didn't need to talk to him about it. The Bible is simple enough that a child can understand from the age of Sunday school. Like I said, learning is great but it add nothing to salvation. We need to reach a lost world, not with lofty speech but the straight forward Good News.

Spoken like an evangelist. But the Bible is not simple and Salvation is not just individual, but corporate and universal. The fractured condition of the corporate Church shows the Spirit is not done working within it to bring it to maturity which will look among other things like a unified thinking in line with the Word. Then it will be simple.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Spoken like an evangelist. But the Bible is not simple and Salvation is not just individual, but corporate and universal. The fractured condition of the corporate Church shows the Spirit is not done working within it to bring it to maturity which will look among other things like a unified thinking in line with the Word. Then it will be simple.

The Bible says he who hears and believes will be saved. You don't need a church to be saved, a preacher nor even a Bible. All you need to know is Christ died for your sins, and He will save you from them when you believe on Him and repent. End of story.

 

[Dude653]

Always welcome. Can you share why you have a personal distaste for Trump?

90 felony indictments. Including election fraud, obstruction of justice, illegal possession of classified documents
He should probably already be in jail just on tax fraud
He probably should have been charged with sedition also

 

[Cameron143]

90 felony indictments. Including election fraud, obstruction of justice, illegal possession of classified documents
He should probably already be in jail just on tax fraud
He probably should have been charged with sedition also

So you don't believe someone is innocent until proven guilty?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

90 felony indictments. Including election fraud, obstruction of justice, illegal possession of classified documents
He should probably already be in jail just on tax fraud
He probably should have been charged with sedition also

Haven't seen you in a long time brother, first of all, it's good to see you back. Hope things are going well for you.

We talked about this before, I don't know if you recall. We talked about Jan 6 th compared to the summer of love. But now we have something new to add in, the Gaza protests. Did you hear Micheal Moore the other day? He said the following...

"“I’ve talked to a lot of the [protest organizers]. . . . They are the salt of the earth. They are kind and generous. . . . They want to live in peace.”

This is the purpose of a democracy is to be able to redress your grievances, to assemble, to have free speech and to disrupt, yes, disrupt. Non-violently disrupt. And when I'm talking about non-violence I'm not talking about you do have the right to take over the administration building.

... we would have no UAW, no Auto Workers Union if back in the 30s the Auto Workers including my uncle had not taken over the factories. They broke windows. They locked all the doors. They kept all the police and the National Guard out for 44 straight days in the middle of winter until they won the right to be recognized by General Motors and to be paid a living wage. That only happened because they took over the factories.
Yes, you have to take over buildings. That is not violence...

Thank you Micheal Moore, empty the jails of the Jan 6 people and we're done. Trump isn't guilty, they are not guilty, I agree with Micheal Moore, hell may have just frozen over.

The classified documents case is closed. If they aren't going to prosecute Biden then there is no reason to do so to Trump. He had more of a right to have them and he had them securely at his home. Biden did not. So that charge is gone. In this post I've knocked out almost every charge you mentioned, and I'm not even a lawyer.

 

[cv5]

90 felony indictments. Including election fraud, obstruction of justice, illegal possession of classified documents
He should probably already be in jail just on tax fraud
He probably should have been charged with sedition also

There is every reason to believe that the various witch hunts will end up with a vacant gibbet.

 

[Dude653]

So you don't believe someone is innocent until proven guilty?

He will have his day in court

 

[Cameron143]

He will have his day in court

He's already had days in court on a charge that the statute of limitations has expired and is being charged with federal crimes in a state court by a man who ran on a platform of prosecuting Trump and a man who was working as the 3rd highest employee in the DOJ for Biden.
Are you OK with all this corruption?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

He will have his day in court

Gag order, is that legal?!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

He's already had days in court on a charge that the statute of limitations has expired and is being charged with federal crimes in a state court by a man who ran on a platform of prosecuting Trump and a man who was working as the 3rd highest employee in the DOJ for Biden.
Are you OK with all this corruption?

People who are ok with what is happening to Trump hate the man, they could care less what they do to him. The problem with that is, you are letting your rights and freedoms go without a fare thee well. They'll live to regret it.

 

[Dude653]

Gag order, is that legal?!

Yes as a matter of fact it is legal.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes as a matter of fact it is legal.

Gag orders are legal only if legally applied. The 14th Amendment calls for equal protection under the law. This would require everyone to be under a gag order.

 

[studier]

The Bible says he who hears and believes will be saved. You don't need a church to be saved, a preacher nor even a Bible. All you need to know is Christ died for your sins, and He will save you from them when you believe on Him and repent. End of story.

Again, spoken like an evangelist. But, a Church (a congregation of Christians) and a preacher (one proclaiming the Gospel - including an individual Christian with whatever gift of the Spirit), and a Bible (the Word of God) can all be, and routinely are used by God to teach about Christ. Then in regard to "all you need to know is..." I'd ask you what "Christ" means, because it's a title that carries immeasurable meaning and implications for all of Creation. You have to know you're scratching the surface as to what the "End of story" is. The "story" is individual, corporate, universal and eternal. It's quite large in scope.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Again, spoken like an evangelist.
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I won't assume, I will ask what you mean by this comment.

But, a Church (a congregation of Christians) and a preacher (one proclaiming the Gospel - including an individual Christian with whatever gift of the Spirit), and a Bible (the Word of God) can all be, and routinely are used by God to teach about Christ.

Never said any different. And a Christian certainly needs to grow. But it's not necessary to know Greek and Hebrew to be saved.

Then in regard to "all you need to know is..." I'd ask you what "Christ" means, because it's a title that carries immeasurable meaning and implications for all of Creation. You have to know you're scratching the surface as to what the "End of story" is. The "story" is individual, corporate, universal and eternal. It's quite large in scope.

I think the point I'm trying to make, and I made a thread that people can't seem to answer in the BDF, is that we are making salvation a hard thing. I think we are obscuring the way. The Good News is simple. Yes, when we begin to grow we start to think of God, who He is, what grace means and deeper questions. But the message is very simple to the lost, Jesus Saves!

 

[studier]

I won't assume, I will ask what you mean by this comment.

Wisdom revealed in not assuming. Thank you. Evangelists are very focused on bringing people into Salvation in Christ. Some can tend to think nothing else is as important. It's an observation of a primary focus and not an attack against you.

Never said any different. And a Christian certainly needs to grow. But it's not necessary to know Greek and Hebrew to be saved.

Good clarification. Again, Thanks.

I hope you can see that I never even insinuated knowledge of Greek and Hebrew is necessary to be saved. Of course, I agree with you.

I do think being able to work in the original languages is beneficial and that God honors and uses such work extensively from basic abilities to in-depth ones. But the ultimate resource and ability is His Spirit and His determination to use whatever and whoever He desires for His purposes.

I think the point I'm trying to make, and I made a thread that people can't seem to answer in the BDF, is that we are making salvation a hard thing. I think we are obscuring the way. The Good News is simple. Yes, when we begin to grow we start to think of God, who He is, what grace means and deeper questions. But the message is very simple to the lost, Jesus Saves!

IMO you're oversimplifying the Good News and what you're saying needs a lot of explanation. Who is Jesus? Saves from what? Why do I or why does anyone need to be saved? The list can go on.

I see a structure to the Gospel mostly in Paul in his role as Apostle to the nations. He begins with placing a foundation (1Cor3), then speaks of building on that foundation. He says in effect that the only foundation is Jesus Christ, but this is shorthand for Jesus is Christ, even Jesus is the Christ. But this requires the hearer to know what the Christ is. We can see how Paul really evangelized in Acts 13-41. Notice the reaction of the Gentiles (Nations) immediately thereafter. And notice Paul's reference to Psalm 2 wherein we can get an idea of just who and what this "Christ" - actually "YHWH's Annointed" and YHWH's King - is.

This is the ultimate simplicity of the Good News of/from God; His Christ - His King - is Jesus. And when one understands from Psalm 2 that kings of the earth had best listen to Him or perish in His wrath, it's pretty simple to instruct that everyone had best do the same, and then one can begin to know what faith in Jesus = the Christ really means.

9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Phil. 2:9-11 NKJ)

It's always been and remains an authority issue. This is the simplicity. It's all in the title and the fact that Jesus alone bears the title in its full form.

 

[ZNP]

He will have his day in court

Not just Trump, that would be unfair. Fanni Willis should have her day in court for campaign finance violations, Nathan Wade should have his day in court for perjury, Michael Cohen should have his day in court for perjury, Stormy Daniels should have her day in court for bringing a frivolous lawsuit, Jack Smith should have his day in court for fraud, Hunter Biden should have his day in court for perjury and human trafficking, Joe Biden should have his day in court for human trafficking, mishandling government documents and taking bribes, etc. etc.

 

[ZNP]

Could Stormy Daniels do anything that would cause you to stop supporting her?