Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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cv5 said:
Interesting development. Very interesting......:unsure:
Paradigm shift really, predicated upon sheer white knuckle desperation IMO.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787091135459897821
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This is idiotic, yes there won't be pressure to sell but there also won't be any demand at all to buy. Also, why hold US Treasuries if you don't need them? We'll see many countries dump them. China will dump them and with Japan's currency collapse they'll be forced to sell in order to support their currency. Also with the UK going to war where are they going to get the funds to buy weapons?

But the biggest holder of US Treasuries are not foreign countries (they hold less than 25%). The biggest holder by far are US banks, this is what they put your savings accounts into. So if the Americans get poorer and have to live off their savings the banks will be forced to sell US Treasuries.
 
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MikeIsraelite72 said:
i just don’t understand why we have to put ourselves through a another fixed election
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There should have been an Election Fraud Commission immediately after 2016, set up either by the president or by Congress, or both acting together. And there should have been a very thorough examination of the whole election "machinery" in every state, as well as the legislation to ensure that all fraudulent practices and laws were purged completely. All voter rolls should have been properly revised and a mechanism put into place to ensure that they remained current and accurate.

This would have involved a lot of work and a lot of investigation, but no one was commissioned to do it as an INDEPENDENT entity with trustworthy people whose sole interest was to have free and fair elections without any kind of fraud.

In 2020 the RINOs and the Democrats and the Deep State wanted to remove Trump by any means. and Biden publicly stated that he had the best election fraud organization in history (which should have been taken very seriously and was simply ignored). Then we had traitor Mike Pence, who should have sent everything back to the states for a proper review rather than make any kind of decision. This would have left Trump in office. But he too wanted Trump to lose. There was more than sufficient evidence at that point that there had been fraud. And then the Supreme Court refused to address this, since those judges also wanted Trump out.

So now that everyone got what they wished for, America has been systematically destroyed, and there may be no going back. Millions of illegal, lawless foreigners are fraudulently being given the right not only to vote but go well beyond that. That was the whole idea. Trump will lose through election theft again. Using lawfare against him has not worked and will not work.
 
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ZNP said:
Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky happened when he was president and created a national security issue and he lied about it. To my knowledge no one has accused Trump of having an affair while president.
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A security issue similar to showing off classified documents to visitors at Mar-a-Lago?
 
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true_believer said:
A security issue similar to showing off classified documents to visitors at Mar-a-Lago?
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Absolutely a security issue. Those were top secret documents concerning nuclear secrets! Treasonous. We have just learned that those documents were sent to Mar A Lago by Biden administration and planted there to frame Trump. I agree with you, Biden and Jack Smith and the rest of them need to be tried for treason.

https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/09/...documents-staged-photo-jay-bratt-crime-scene/

‘Against The Law’: Jack Smith’s Staged Docs Photo Could Throw Major Wrench In Case Against Trump, Lawyers Say

In a recent court filing, Jay Bratt, the lead Department of Justice (DOJ) prosecutor now assigned to special counsel Jack Smith’s team, admitted that the FBI brought cover sheets reading “top secret” to its raid of Mar-a-Lago. The cover sheets, Bratt explained, were used as placeholders for the classified documents found at the scene. Now, both Trump’s defense and the special counsel are admitting that the documents seized from the former president’s residence are out of order, according to court documents first reported by Declassified with Julie Kelly.

The latest development could affect the integrity of the case in the view of both the court and the public, lawyers told the Daily Caller.

“It could [complicate the case]. I don’t know whether it will or not, but it certainly could,” John Malcolm, vice president for the Heritage Foundation’s Institute for Constitutional Government and former deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ’s Criminal Division, told the Daily Caller.

“The allegation or the argument would be, they’ve tampered with the evidence they’ve affected its integrity in some material way. I mean, it would be as if they had messed with somebody else’s DNA sample or had smudged the fingerprint,” Malcolm continued.

Malcolm added that if the prosecution chooses to argue Trump had to have known about the documents because they were near files he would have seen all the time, the disordering of the evidence could cause problems.

“I don’t think anybody would believe that the President of the United States upon leaving office would personally be monitoring papers and effects. And it’s not inconceivable that something could get inadvertently mixed in,” Philip A. Holloway, a criminal defense attorney and legal analyst, told the Daily Caller.

“And so if prosecutors and law enforcement are cherry-picking documents, and slapping these labels on it that says top secret where that label was not already there, it can be very misleading to the viewer,” Holloway added. “And if that viewer is a court, then that’s misleading a court and that’s against the law.”
 
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true_believer said:
If he doesn't, then it truly shows the real "swamp" in America is behind the scenes.
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Agreed, Fanni Willis, Jack Smith, Michael Cohen and so many more definitely need to go to jail.
 
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true_believer said:
Even one today's best tv actors gets it. (y)
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/reacher-star-alan-ritchsons-scathing-184042875.html
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Trump’s trial is a stupendous legal catastrophe
Every American should be appalled at this selective prosecution. Today the target is Trump. Tomorrow it may be a Democrat

ALAN DERSHOWITZ8 May 2024

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/08/trumps-trial-is-a-stupendous-legal-catastrophe/

"Every American should be appalled at this selective prosecution. Today the target is Trump. Tomorrow it may be a Democrat"

So you have TV actors supporting Biden's lawfare while Harvard law professor is calling it a legal catastrophe. Yep, I get it. Now you know who is supporting Biden and who is supporting justice.
 
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true_believer said:
Even one today's best tv actors gets it. (y)
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/reacher-star-alan-ritchsons-scathing-184042875.html
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Very reputable TV lawyer voted for Biden in 2020

All these lawyers ridiculing the trials against Trump have caused people to wonder about some term called "lawfare". However, Raymond Burr, the most trustworthy TV lawyer (Perry Mason) voted for Biden for President in 2020 (despite dying more than 20 years earlier) and so let's look at what he says about these trials:

Perry, I assume you have been watching this trial concerning election fraud in Georgia with Fanni Willis, so what do you think? Is Trump guilty?

Perry Mason: "No, its a problem of ethics. If I tell you about it would you be willing to regard it as privileged, - so to speak, not to be acted upon?"

Hmmm, let's skip that one and talk about the Stormy Daniels Hush money trial in NYC! Any advice for Trump's lawyers?

Perry Mason: "Objection your honor. Incompetent, irrelevant and immaterial -- and improper questioning, in that it takes up matters not part of the direct examination".

OK, well do you have any advice or questions for Jack Smith, he seems to have hit a rough patch in his documents case?

Perry Mason: "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence?"
 
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ZNP said:
This is idiotic, yes there won't be pressure to sell but there also won't be any demand at all to buy. Also, why hold US Treasuries if you don't need them? We'll see many countries dump them. China will dump them and with Japan's currency collapse they'll be forced to sell in order to support their currency. Also with the UK going to war where are they going to get the funds to buy weapons?

But the biggest holder of US Treasuries are not foreign countries (they hold less than 25%). The biggest holder by far are US banks, this is what they put your savings accounts into. So if the Americans get poorer and have to live off their savings the banks will be forced to sell US Treasuries.
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Jim Rickards says that presently, the big banks have quite a large capacity to absorb treasuries (their holdings as a percentage of assets was much higher in the past).

But not infinite capacity obviously. I am guessing maybe a few years worth.

However......nobody will be able to hide that fact that ONLY the banks and FED will be buyers.
And interest rates and gold to the moon and TLT values plummet.
 
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cv5 said:
Jim Rickards says that presently, the big banks have quite a large capacity to absorb treasuries (their holdings as a percentage of assets was much higher in the past).

But not infinite capacity obviously. I am guessing maybe a few years worth.

However......nobody will be able to hide that fact that ONLY the banks and FED will be buyers.
And interest rates and gold to the moon and TLT values plummet.
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The biggest problem they have is with commercial real estate, it is worth half or even a fourth of what they have on the books. Vacancy rates are through the roof and there are no buyers. If they are forced to sell it would be like dominoes. It will start a chain reaction that will be catastrophic to American banks. That in turn means no loans to builders. There are two engines to the US economy, manufacturing and the housing market. Manufacturing is already sputtering, if the housing market engine goes out the US economy drops like a rock.

Now we know that AI is going to replace jobs and especially replace high paying jobs with low paying jobs. So people who could buy a house with those that can barely afford to rent. We also know that raising interest rates is how you slow inflation, and if they don't slow inflation the world will dump the US dollar and the bonds. If they do raise rates the bonds the banks are holding will lose a tremendous amount and people will pull their money from banks to get higher interest rates. So you already have two very bad factors influencing the housing market, add the collapse of commercial real estate and that engine will explode.

We also know according to Luke that people will be buying, selling, planting and building right up to the day fire falls and destroys them. So there is a Black Swan event which will cause the entire Jenga tower to collapse much like when Samson pushed out the pillars on the temple. It says more people died in his death than in his life. I suspect more people will be saved in the rapture than in the entire age of grace.

PPI set to be released Tuesday the 14th and CPI set to be released Wed the 15th.
 
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studier said:
It's really more a view about those who focus on and make [omniscient-like] assertions about eschatology than it is about eschatology itself. Yes, he expressed he thought some things are still obscure. He's not alone.

Once again, your comfort in your ability to assert irrefutability is noted and that others who are of different interpretations are totally clueless. It's simply another example of what Heiser spoke of and of what I've been saying about the debaters. It's not really the debate that's the issue. It's more the debaters.
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I have news for a lot of people. I'm not going to knock study, it's a good thing. But my grandfather had a grade 4 education. Now he taught himself amazing things, but he would find it very hard to read a book. There are going to be people in heaven that can't spell eschatology, let alone tell you what it is. In the end it's hardly with a heap of bananas. Feel free to join my thread in the BDF, where I ask everyone to explain the Good News to people who have never heard it. I do hope people take part, it should be interesting.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
I have news for a lot of people. I'm not going to knock study, it's a good thing. But my grandfather had a grade 4 education. Now he taught himself amazing things, but he would find it very hard to read a book. There are going to be people in heaven that can't spell eschatology, let alone tell you what it is. In the end it's hardly with a heap of bananas. Feel free to join my thread in the BDF, where I ask everyone to explain the Good News to people who have never heard it. I do hope people take part, it should be interesting.
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Did you grandfather come to know what the Christ is and come to believe that Jesus is the Christ? He didn't need a book to have been taught the truth. Nor did he need a book to have someone converse with him about the things contained in the Book. I wonder what he though about the end of things here. Did you get to talk with him about any of this?
 
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My Grandfather has been home with the Lord for almost 50 years. When he had all of us grandsons together, he loved to pass on bits of insight into our future. One of his favorites was, "Learn to ride a horse, you're gonna need one for transportation in the near future". Another was "Judging from the trucks you boys drive, you better hope that I'm still alive when there ain't no more cars, someone's gonna have to pick a mule for you".

One thing we learned from the life he lived was to trust in God no matter how tough things get. In the end, with Him, we will always win.
 
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studier said:
Did you grandfather come to know what the Christ is and come to believe that Jesus is the Christ? He didn't need a book to have been taught the truth. Nor did he need a book to have someone converse with him about the things contained in the Book. I wonder what he though about the end of things here. Did you get to talk with him about any of this?
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I didn't need to talk to him about it. The Bible is simple enough that a child can understand from the age of Sunday school. Like I said, learning is great but it add nothing to salvation. We need to reach a lost world, not with lofty speech but the straight forward Good News.
 
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