Who is God & What is the Gospel ?

John6150 · May 10, 2024

EXACTLY! isn't this "Who God Is?" you said it perfectly, imagine being perfectly content, satisfied, filled, BUT no one to share it with. that truly would be sad. and that is why i believe HE create all of this and us.

maxwel · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

Maxwell, please believe me when i say, i have no desire to offend or insult, even though i can be prone to do so. i earnestly desire to be on one mind, in the Lord, with someone, anyone, yet find it hard to realize. i hope we can move toward that end.
that being said, i would hope that you will agree that "ignorance is not a solid defence of a position of truth", right? we cannot aspire to confidence in the fact that we don't know. not knowing shouldn't be a warm blanket of comfort. it should be a motivation to seek further, right ? "that I might know Thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent" and "that we might grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ." I , personally cannot find solitude in ignorance, it only inspires me to seek Him further. I want to know Him more and more and that can happen through personally seeking Him, but also through other's in the body of Christ, like yourself. right ?

I really have no idea what you're trying to say.

Please just state your point clearly and succinctly, and I'll be back tomorrow.

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Pilgrimshope · May 10, 2024

maxwel said:

Yeah I don't wanna get Into that debate again for sure lol

But let me say that if a person believes God is one....the whole reason he created life and man is to have people to love and love him. That's all I was saying. Father with a heart of love really needs some kids to love on

Nehemiah6 · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

God is love means that in His essence God is agape love. Which is God's love. That includes grace, mercy, loving kindness, compassion. All of this is infinite, and in the end we cannot really understand it. But John 3:16 sums it up, and to gain an insight into this aspect of God, one needs to go to the Psalms which describe God.

Pilgrimshope · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

That's what I believe yes . If we look to the gospel it's all about the son teaching us that God is our father and he loves us and doesn't want us to follow sin and perish but to live forever with him in his home eternal to love and be loved by him but in reverse order that's what I think it means that God is love Jesus taught us to look at God as he is our loving father our provider the one we can depend on and trust in we can believe him he'll never lead us astray ....I believe that's why he created mankind because Love is not really Love if you don't have people to love and to love you also . I think people miss the fact that God in the bible is desperately wanting to be loved by us too not just tell us I love you but he wants us to love him that's what Jesus suffering and death is all about to show us the depths of this love for us , in hopes we will see him and reach out and return to him

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

PilgrimsHope, my longing has been now satisfied this one time, by your comment. I hope i can similarly say in agreement with you that Love "NEEDS" and object, God "NEEDED" an object to love. perfect harmony between three persons of the Godhead for eternity past would never initiate the creation of anything, UNLESS Love is not selfish, it wants to bless others(and if they don't yet exist, He creates them) with the perfect communion and harmony the Godhead has had for eternity past. thx for your words. it seems in this we agree and i hope finally i have found someone that can understand and agree with what i believe the Lord has been teaching me for these many years. and as long as i am not deceived, i will enjoy this moment. i know of no one in the past 25 years that can comprehend what i'm saying. let alone agree(if you are). it's a real bummer to be alone.

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Nehemiah6 said:

I would just say, Nehemiah, that i believe 'we can't say that others cannot understand something', how could we know what others can or cannot understand from the Lord? they might even though we don't, like the body of Christ, where every member supplies that which the other lacks or needs.

Pilgrimshope · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

......I thought you were wanting to keep everyone on topic of what magenta said ?

In the beginning Gods son was Adam

‭Luke 3:38 KJV‬
[38] which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

My point was simple God created man because of he desire to have children created in his image and likeness love needs people to love

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

Sorry, i thought we were still discussing the concept of "God is Love" and recently as it pertains to the idea of what is love....it all seems on topic to me, redirect us ?

Pilgrimshope · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

Um no not really I'd rather just have everyone speak freely and see where the conversation goes because I'm not sure what direction your wanting to go lol do you want to discuss the trinity concept ?

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

That's what I believe yes . If we look to the gospel it's all about the son teaching us that God is our father and he loves us and doesn't want us to follow sin and perish but to live forever with him in his home eternal to love and be loved by him but in reverse order that's what I think it means that God is love Jesus taught us to look at God as he is our loving father our provider the one we can depend on and trust in we can believe him he'll never lead us astray ....I believe that's why he created mankind because Love is not really Love if you don't have people to love and to love you also . I think people miss the fact that God in the bible is desperately wanting to be loved by us too not just tell us I love you but he wants us to love him that's what Jesus suffering and death is all about to show us the depths of this love for us , in hopes we will see him and reach out and return to him

Wow, missed this post, fully agree...

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

What time zone are you, it's past midnight here, lol
Oh btw, do you know of other believers that understand the same as you recently posted ? I don't know of any.

Pilgrimshope · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

I'm on pacific time but just whenever you wish to talk about anything Is fine friend

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

If your still up, i'd like to continue...you are the first person that has understood something i believe and actually, if i am portraying your thoughts correctly, agreed. you may not be able to fathom the profound impact this has on me. i have had so many things that i believe the lord has taught me, yet no one to confirm or prove a correction to such from the scriptures any of them over many years. it can really place a toll on one's soul to the point of thinking "am i deluded?", "am i insane?" or are these things really true., are they really from God Almighty to me?

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

I would like to summarize what I think is our common belief on the topic of "God is Love."
1. the Godhead, Father, Son, Spirit, in eternity past were in a continuously harmonious, loving relationship and so continue to this day.
2. God, being pure love, could not remain in such a state without a desire to bless others with the joys of such a relationship.
3. God therefore created mankind , into whom He desired to pour the blessings of said relationship into others.
4. this therefore constitutes a main character trait of Who is God in that He is Love which is irresistibly of a giving nature and thereby is not self seeking but others seeking (1Co 13 - "love seeks not it's own").

Does this make sense and do you agree ?
john
going to bed soon, it's 12:45am here, will be up a little longer and will check in tomorrow am
wow, when you see your own words written, it can really make you think further...

John6150 · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

But isn't the question "Who is God?" the most profound to ask ? I can't think of any other intellectual, religious, nor philosophical question to ask before i die. am i wrong ?
the entire Bible is about God and the gospel

John6150 · May 10, 2024

ewq1938 said:

Scripture refers to 3 as God All of these are God and each of these are God:

The Father is God

2Pe_1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Son is God

Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Jesus is God because the OT says Israel's Rock was God and Christ was that same Rock.

Holy Spirit is God

Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Here lying to the Holy Spirit is called lying to God.

Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

This is the first appearance of the word in the bible. The word is:

G2098
εὐαγγέλιον
euaggelion
yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on
From the same as G2097; a good message, that is, the gospel: - gospel.
Total KJV occurrences: 77

It is written as the gospel of the Kingdom, the gospel of God, the gospel of Jesus, the gospel of peace etc. It is good news about something, usually related to righteousness and the future for righteous people. In short, it is usually about how Jesus died for our sins so we can repent and be forgiven and be granted immortality in the eternal kingdom of God ie: being saved.

ewq1938, sorry i just saw your post and fully agree with all said. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all, each God. This CC thing can get difficult tracking all the comments and responses.
i was proposing a discussion about "Who is God?" and Magenta was first to respond with "God is Love" so i decided to pursue that specific version of the main topic with a question or two and a verse or two. If God is love and love seeks not it's own, does God ever behave selfishly to please Himself alone ? or something like that. tough subject, i know.

John6150 · May 10, 2024

Pilgrimshope said:

Yes i have two sons and a daughter. the apple of His eye are His children, yes.

John6150 · May 10, 2024

maxwel said:

If God is perfect, and perfectly content, why did he create?

1.) The Bible clearly says God does everything according to his own will, and his own pleasure.
2.) The Bible is also clear that God is perfect, complete, and in need of nothing.

So why did God create everything?
Posing this very real conundrum is reasonable, but ignoring the two prior propositions that lead us to this conundrum is not reasonable.

All we know for certain is: it was God's will to create, it pleased him to do so, and all creation had to be in his mind (part of his eternal plan) from eternity past. But he certainly doesn't "need" us.

This has been orthodox Christian doctrine for a very long time... nothing new here.

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1.) What if God's own will and pleasure is "to give" and that selflessly ?
2.) What if love needs an object to love and thus God created mankind ?

Nehemiah6 · May 10, 2024

John6150 said:

Do you seriously believe we can truly understand God, given the fact that we are limited and God has no limits? Does anyone really understand how God created the universe out of nothing? If people understood God they would not question the deity of Christ for example. And even Christians can only understand Him to a certain degree. Who can truly understand the sufferings and sacrifice of Christ other than the Father Himself?

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