Were Nephilim (Gen 6) judged differently by God?

[DavidTree]

I fail to find anything in Genesis which says anything close to "angels are sons of God". Help me out bro.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ wants us to fellowship in Him and His Holy Spirit of Truth.

Since internet leaves the most important element out = face to face in person communication, i want you to have peace knowing that my heart and message is to see my Brethren set free from religion and/or denomination man-centered seeing of the scriptures.
That they may relly completely on the Holy Spirit and fearing God by never "adding to or taking away" from His words so that we do not force our belief upon scripture, nor manipulate it to say other then it's proclamation to us.

You can find Rest in the scripture you brought forth = John 1:9-13

The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become sons of God— born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.

i fully agree with this and then directed our confidence on this subject to come solely from the Word who said this:

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead,
a.) neither marry nor are given in marriage;
b.) nor can they die anymore,
c.) for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Luke 20:34-38 is crucial to understanding that angels were created as "sons of God" whereas sinful man is dead unto God and must be Born-Again by the Spirit of God in order to lay hold of eternal Life whereby we become "equal to the angels = sons of God".

The angels/sons of God are in the spiritual domain where the LORD also dwells = "God is a Spirit".
Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them."
Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD"

God Himself confirms these "sons of God/angels" as being in His presence when HE created the world = Job 38:7
God also confirms that man was not present during this creation period.
"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Now think Brother, in the OT God does not call man a "son of God" except with Adam BEFORE Adam sinned and fell from Life.
AND
Why did that change when the LORD became flesh and dwelt among us?

Note: You have the answers in front of you at the beginning of this Post and here at the end.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written,
“The first man Adam became a living being.”
The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
The first man was of the earth, made of dust;
the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
1 Corinthians ch15

 

[Diakonos]

God did not beget angels

Did God beget Christ?

 

[Evmur]

Did God beget Christ?

Of COURSE He did. In that He was begotten of God is what PROVES His deity. There is no need to take the matter down to the physical process of procreation. According to His flesh He is the seed of David.

 

[Shepherd]

AGAIN, you have come to another false conclusion SEE Post 307 for your improvement.

SEE Post 312 and 315 that is specific to the area of your doubt/unbelief in what God has said in His word.

This is the 3rd time that i have asked you to go back to Genesis and find out the Glaring Truth as to why your conclusion is in error.

Seek and you will find, knock and it shall be opened to you, ask and it shall be given...........direct quote from the GIVER of LIFE

1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God........... "we are sons of God" all in the same sentence and context.

Now show me, Book of Genesis, "angels are sons of God". Just one verse. Or, just show me the words "angels" and "sons of God" in the same chapter in Genesis.

 

[DavidTree]

1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God........... "we are sons of God" all in the same sentence and context.

Now show me, Book of Genesis, "angels are sons of God". Just one verse. Or, just show me the words "angels" and "sons of God" in the same chapter in Genesis.

Agree - as i said = the Word spoken into us, which we received the Seed of Life in our hearts and were Born-Again by the Spirit of God whereby we have become sons of God.

In the OT the phrase "sons of God" is exclusive to angels as validated by God/Holy Spirit/Word in Job and by the LORD Jesus Christ - Himself, which is more then sufficient for us.

Now, your quest for Truth, which should be paramount to everyone who calls on the Name of the LORD, is to follow HIS Instructions:
a.) Proverbs 30:5-6
b.) Matthew 4:1-4
c.) Luke 20:34-36

Peace

 

[Diakonos]

Of COURSE He did. In that He was begotten of God is what PROVES His deity. There is no need to take the matter down to the physical process of procreation. According to His flesh He is the seed of David.

Good, I'm glad we agree. I just wanted to establish that common ground for later.

Angels are created beings

Is this the reason you reject the notion that the "sons of God" in the OT are angels?

 

[Diakonos]

just show me the words "angels" and "sons of God" in the same chapter

Proper...Logical...Inference.

Consider statements like:

"Jesus loves you"
"God is Trinity"
"Satan will possess a global dictator"

These (correct) conclusions are the result of proper logical inference.
If A = B, and B = C, then A = C.

Job confirms that the "the sons of God" refer to humans because they are described as those who are from heaven and they existed before Adam was created. Genesis gives the actual account of their sin with human women. Jude describes angelic sin as a sexual sin. Peter associates their sin with the time of Noah, which is congruent with the Genesis account. It's absolutely Biblical. It just takes some thorough studying to understand it. The main reason people reject it is because it is strange and uncomfortable, not because it is unbiblical.

If you do not use proper logical inference in your Biblical studies, you will not identify the connections between passages of Scripture pertaining to the same subject.

 

[Shepherd]

Proper...Logical...Inference.

Consider statements like:

"Jesus loves you"
"God is Trinity"
"Satan will possess a global dictator"

These (correct) conclusions are the result of proper logical inference.
If A = B, and B = C, then A = C.

Job confirms that the "the sons of God" refer to humans because they are described as those who are from heaven and they existed before Adam was created. Genesis gives the actual account of their sin with human women. Jude describes angelic sin as a sexual sin. Peter associates their sin with the time of Noah, which is congruent with the Genesis account. It's absolutely Biblical. It just takes some thorough studying to understand it. The main reason people reject it is because it is strange and uncomfortable, not because it is unbiblical.

If you do not use proper logical inference in your Biblical studies, you will not identify the connections between passages of Scripture pertaining to the same subject.

Genesis 6 gives an account of the human believers. named in Genesis 5, who became believers back in Genesis 4, then married unbelievers described in Genesis 3. The phrase "sons of God" is clearly defined in several scriptures as being believers. That, definition is not "logic", it is a direct definition by the Word of God. The Bible even says that an "angel" cannot be a "son of God". Only a human being can become a "son" of God by faith.

The Book of Jude is describing "certain men crept in unawares". Jude compares these men to three(3) Old Testament groups: #1. The sin of the "Angels which kept not their first estate" was to "despise dominion". They rebelled because they didn't want to serve God anymore. #2. The Israelites in the Wilderness "spake evil of dignities". In other words they "murmured" against God and Moses. #3. lastly, the Sodomites "went after strange flesh" because they were sexual perverts/homosexuals. Jude is comparing these 3 groups to the sins of the "certain men crept in unawares" which were plaguing the church at the time. Where people get it wrong is by saying that the Angels "went after strange flesh" while IGNORING that it was the Sodomites who were doing that. It's right there in the Book of Jude. Now that one you can infer from the Word of God and logic.

About the time before the flood; Jesus even says that the pre-flood folks were "marrying and giving in marriage". He does not mention angelic beings either.

 

[Dino246]

Genesis 6 gives an account of the human believers. named in Genesis 5, who became believers back in Genesis 4, then married unbelievers described in Genesis 3. The phrase "sons of God" is clearly defined in several scriptures as being believers. That, definition is not "logic", it is a direct definition by the Word of God. The Bible even says that an "angel" cannot be a "son of God". Only a human being can become a "son" of God by faith.

Job 38 refutes your position.

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Care to try again?

 

[Shepherd]

Job 38 refutes your position.

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Care to try again?

If I asked you "where were you when the Whitehouse was built? ....declare if you have understanding". What would be your answer?

 

[Clayman]

The Bible even says that an "angel" cannot be a "son of God". Only a human being can become a "son" of God by faith.

This is an interesting point that I will add to my equations, Romans 8 for example points out we have an inheritance as "Sons" and become joint heirs with Christ, and we are conformed into the image of the Son, the second Man(human). Those who were called to be Sons were also predestined to be justified and glorified. And angels quite simply do not fit into the category of being Sons waiting for the adoption and redemption of the body.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

In Genesis 6 we are introduced to the Nephilim (half angel--half human). The Bible never references whether or not they were evil....only that the angels that fathered them were part of the fallen ones. I know it says they were "men of renown." But it seems to imply that they were evil because after they came into being, everything bad starts to happen. However the Bible says nothing about them being angelic....meaning that they had no powers that angels would have. They aren't immortal. They can't fly. It seems like they are human with a human soul.

But we know that God doesn't create anything evil. God allowed the Nephilim to be born. Since they were born like a regular baby, and grew up like a regular human....does God view them differently than a regular human? Does He give them the same chances to repent of their sins? I can't imagine God allowing them to be born evil just because their angelic fathers' were evil. If that were the case, then they never had a choice. Even the angels themselves had a choice to either follow God or fall like Lucifer did. All humans are given a choice as well. This leads me to believe that the Nephilim were NOT created evil. However, I can find no evidence that any of the Nephilim were good.

So ultimately my question is this: Did God judge them differently from regular humans? After reading Ezekiel 18, I believe God judges them the same way he does a regular human. Ezekiel 18 talks specifically about the sins of father and son. I don't see anything about a son being held accountable for the actions of his father. However, it I am still confused because it appeared as if ALL the Nephilim were evil.

Hoping for some ideas on this.

I think your e tire premise that angels made babies with women is flawed because the bi ke tells us no angle has ever been called Son of God. The only creatures called his son is mankind

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬

Let us make man in our image in our likeness “

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Angels aren’t flesh and blood but spirits

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.

But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:5, 7, 13-14‬ ‭

if we don’t trust the book of Enoch the Bible is clear that the sons of God aren’t angels but men

“The giants “ are men of great renown

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God ( Seth’s line of men ) came in unto the daughters of men,( cains line of men ) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬l

rhetorical giants men of great renown legendary men of old who became wicked

there never were four hundred foot giants eating the people and trees and animals like Enoch states it’s talking about men who lives thousand years lifetimes and accomplished great things or renown and legend on the earth mighty men the earliest generations of mankind 800 900 years old still having kids …..notice it’s at this point that God makes mans lifespan 120 years because they became so wicked it was t because angels took wives from man and created a race of giants that are everyone nd all the foliage

enoch whe it was found there was only about 20 percent of the text people created the rest from logic and myth

 

[Dino246]

If I asked you "where were you when the Whitehouse was built? ....declare if you have understanding". What would be your answer?

Dodge.

 

[Aaron56]

I think your e tire premise that angels made babies with women is flawed because the bi ke tells us no angle has ever been called Son of God. The only creatures called his son is mankind

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬

Let us make man in our image in our likeness “

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Angels aren’t flesh and blood but spirits

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.

But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:5, 7, 13-14‬ ‭

if we don’t trust the book of Enoch the Bible is clear that the sons of God aren’t angels but men

“The giants “ are men of great renown

“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God ( Seth’s line of men ) came in unto the daughters of men,( cains line of men ) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭KJV‬l

rhetorical giants men of great renown legendary men of old who became wicked

there never were four hundred foot giants eating the people and trees and animals like Enoch states it’s talking about men who lives thousand years lifetimes and accomplished great things or renown and legend on the earth mighty men the earliest generations of mankind 800 900 years old still having kids …..notice it’s at this point that God makes mans lifespan 120 years because they became so wicked it was t because angels took wives from man and created a race of giants that are everyone nd all the foliage

enoch whe it was found there was only about 20 percent of the text people created the rest from logic and myth

Furthermore, we know physical DNA does not prevent people from becoming the children of God. That reality is a spiritual change and then new bodies are given later. Even so, those who have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God are "new creations". Since their bodies stay intact this, too, speaks of a spiritual transformation.

"Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

The incorporating the Enoch fables into scriptural truth leads to all kinds of bad doctrine.
Ironically, people who do so are more apt to believe that demons copulated with people to ruin God's plan when a much simpler explanation is apparent: the enemy created a book the contents of which have no business being included with scriptural knowledge.

 

[Shepherd]

Dodge.

Answer my question, and I will answer yours.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

There's created sons of God and those who become adopted sons (joint-heirs) in God.
Genesis 6 no one was adopted yet as sons of God (joint-heirs).

From the Torah I was taught in synagogue:
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose.


Jesus does not die for sins until 3,000 years later. So Genesis 6 is not talking about Adopted Joint-Heirs.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Furthermore, we know physical DNA does not prevent people from becoming the children of God. That reality is a spiritual change and then new bodies are given later. Even so, those who have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God are "new creations". Since their bodies stay intact this, too, speaks of a spiritual transformation.

"Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new."

The incorporating the Enoch fables into scriptural truth leads to all kinds of bad doctrine.
Ironically, people who do so are more apt to believe that demons copulated with people to ruin God's plan when a much simpler explanation is apparent: the enemy created a book the contents of which have no business being included with scriptural knowledge.

yes false prophecy purporting to be from God has always been an issue since the serpent began to whisper his lies .

even if we look just at genesis one we can see the creatures god chose to be his children it is clearly mankind alone who he gave dominion to and created of all creatures only mankind in his image and glory

The angels who rebelled can’t be redeemed

“And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There's created sons of God and those who become adopted sons (joint-heirs) in God.
Genesis 6 no one was adopted yet as sons of God (joint-heirs).

From the Torah I was taught in synagogue:
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose.


Jesus does not die for sins until 3,000 years later. So Genesis 6 is not talking about Adopted Joint-Heirs.

Who’s spirit gave Adam life ?

 

[Aaron56]

There's created sons of God and those who become adopted sons (joint-heirs) in God.
Genesis 6 no one was adopted yet as sons of God (joint-heirs).

From the Torah I was taught in synagogue:
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose.


Jesus does not die for sins until 3,000 years later. So Genesis 6 is not talking about Adopted Joint-Heirs.

It makes more sense that the sons of God, here, were the priests of the people of God.

Notice they were present at Sinai before the Law made the Levites priests:

Exodus 19 "Also let the priests who come near the LORD consecrate themselves, lest the LORD break out against them.”

Before this, there is no written provision for how priests were chosen.

We do see, in Genesis, certain names of children mentioned in the lineages and then "..other sons and daughters". These children whose names are mentioned: Seth, Enosh, Cainan, Mahalalel, Jared, etc., are literally "men of renown". They are named.

When we consider these two issues together we can see how certain people in their family, typically the oldest male, would become the priest of the family. They were the ones with the most experience about following God and living within His economy. This axiom is preserved in the reverence for elders even today.

So, if the "sons of God", people who preserve the ways of the Lord God in all things, chose to marry whatever woman they wanted, even those outside their own people, that would have disrupted the culture built by God's people. God would not have been pleased.

 

[Shepherd]

Not only that. If a man lives for 900 years, marries several women and "begets" a bunch of kids during that time(Genesis 5), then he would experience his family growing exponentially into a huge tribe or nation during his own lifetime. Their family would be powerful economically(like Boaz the "mighty man of wealth"), militarily(Like David's "mighty men", and politically like Solomon (partly by all the marriages/alliances). Such a man/family would truly be "mighty men". A formidable force to be reckoned with during a time of great "violence".