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I did confirm the reference from Luke to Exodus 8.
The discussion point you replied to was regarding Luke's writing.
So, you interpret the reasoning Jesus is using in Luke to refer to Satan using deceptive strategy by casting out demons and dividing his own kingdom? Wouldn't this go against what Jesus is reasoning?
Again, there is a yet unproven assumption here that we can simply use Luke and Matthew interchangeably. Since you believe this is proper procedure, I can understand why you do or don't believe what the record supports.
Remaining in Luke, Luke only refers to some from the crowd, not some "from the Pharisees", alleging Jesus was casting out demons by Beelzebub.
Until the reasoning of what Jesus said is properly understood so the logic works, who the "sons" are is up for discussion. Thus the differences in commentaries, discussions, and articles as shown in the links I provided. Maybe who the "sons" are is not really that important to Jesus' argument. IF Luke and Matthew are referring to the same event, maybe this is why Luke determined it appropriate to state things differently than Matthew did. Same goes for Mark. At the end of the analysis, the point of what each writer are making is what's important to understand.
If we modify what you said is your "favored view" to something like "the Word of God [properly understood}" then you and I would be in full agreement.
In my view, it seems clear to me that in forums like these there are few who are here to learn from each other. If you are here even in part for learning, I commend you and wish we all had the same goal.
You're welcome for the links. Thanks for expressing your appreciation.
The discussion point you replied to was regarding Luke's writing.
So, you interpret the reasoning Jesus is using in Luke to refer to Satan using deceptive strategy by casting out demons and dividing his own kingdom? Wouldn't this go against what Jesus is reasoning?
Again, there is a yet unproven assumption here that we can simply use Luke and Matthew interchangeably. Since you believe this is proper procedure, I can understand why you do or don't believe what the record supports.
Remaining in Luke, Luke only refers to some from the crowd, not some "from the Pharisees", alleging Jesus was casting out demons by Beelzebub.
Until the reasoning of what Jesus said is properly understood so the logic works, who the "sons" are is up for discussion. Thus the differences in commentaries, discussions, and articles as shown in the links I provided. Maybe who the "sons" are is not really that important to Jesus' argument. IF Luke and Matthew are referring to the same event, maybe this is why Luke determined it appropriate to state things differently than Matthew did. Same goes for Mark. At the end of the analysis, the point of what each writer are making is what's important to understand.
If we modify what you said is your "favored view" to something like "the Word of God [properly understood}" then you and I would be in full agreement.
In my view, it seems clear to me that in forums like these there are few who are here to learn from each other. If you are here even in part for learning, I commend you and wish we all had the same goal.
You're welcome for the links. Thanks for expressing your appreciation.
This is taking the discussion with @Sipsey in a different direction, but we can look at Romans 1 if you'd like.
I see Paul telling us not only "what occurs in those who end up with reprobate mind" as you say, but also what God views as a "reprobate mind". You point some of this out in your next to last paragraph.
I saw you earlier point out some Greek wording. Have you ever researched the Greek word being translated in the KJV as "reprobate"? It's an interesting one.
I see Paul telling us not only "what occurs in those who end up with reprobate mind" as you say, but also what God views as a "reprobate mind". You point some of this out in your next to last paragraph.
I saw you earlier point out some Greek wording. Have you ever researched the Greek word being translated in the KJV as "reprobate"? It's an interesting one.
I'm not sure I understand your questions. We were made in the image of God. That has various implications. A poster said there are those, as a result of sin, are transformed into the image of Satan.
While I agree that the image of God has been corrupted and marred in mankind, I disagree that Satan's image has been placed upon man.
In redeeming man, God restores His image in man.
While I agree that the image of God has been corrupted and marred in mankind, I disagree that Satan's image has been placed upon man.
In redeeming man, God restores His image in man.
If one is dead to God it means that it is alive to devil
To be alive to devil one needs to have image of devil alive in him
Old one and new one are images
When commandment came I died but sin revived
King James Bible
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died
Who is born from God cannot sin
To be alive to devil one needs to have image of devil alive in him
Old one and new one are images
When commandment came I died but sin revived
King James Bible
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died
Who is born from God cannot sin
So can you share with me from the Bible what it means to be made in the image of God and all that this entails, and where it states that Adam upon sinning was made in the image of Satan?
Being born again begins the process of restoring the image of God in man; it does not place the image of God upon him.
Being born again begins the process of restoring the image of God in man; it does not place the image of God upon him.
Who is born from Spirit is spirit
This spirit new born was in him ?
will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws
What spirit was before new one?
This spirit new born was in him ?
will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws
What spirit was before new one?
I came upon the context where Eli tried to tell his wicked sons something like, "If you sin against men, God will intercede for you, but if you sin against God, who will intercede for you?" But they would not listen to Eli because "God had planned to kill them." So, this seems to offer the predetermined camp the strongest evidence for their doctrine, because at face value this looks like they didn't hear simply because God did not will it. However, I happened upon this context originally searching out the 'regard for my sacrifice,' and I think this had its influence on God's will to grant repentance. How far am I off?
Some will claim you did not give them an answer after you did?
What does he really mean?
Until that happens? All other answers must be ignored to protect his fragile walk in an unstable incomplete understanding.
They are like pioneers on a trail with a team with a common goal..
They get fed up and want to call it quits before the team reaches God's goal....
They end up making excuses, and are determined to stop in a place that is unsettled.
They are attempting to make their stopping place to seem settled by mixing their desire
to call it quits by immersing their mind into their own brand of delusion pumped up with dogmatism.
Leave them behind if they continue to resist and persist...
For the enemy may want them to become like heavily weighted ankle bracelets in our walk with God.
grace and peace ......
What does he really mean?
"I am tapping my feet, waiting for you to give an answer the way I want to hear it. "
Until that happens? All other answers must be ignored to protect his fragile walk in an unstable incomplete understanding.
They are like pioneers on a trail with a team with a common goal..
They get fed up and want to call it quits before the team reaches God's goal....
They end up making excuses, and are determined to stop in a place that is unsettled.
They are attempting to make their stopping place to seem settled by mixing their desire
to call it quits by immersing their mind into their own brand of delusion pumped up with dogmatism.
Leave them behind if they continue to resist and persist...
For the enemy may want them to become like heavily weighted ankle bracelets in our walk with God.
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize?
Run in such a way as to get the prize." 1 Corinthians 9:24
grace and peace ......
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Of you need everything spelled out in black and white?
You are not learning enough doctrine to think with the Spirit if you demand that everything be spelled out for you with chapter and verse that will be stating directly what you were told it indicates.
And this is my prayer: that your love may abound
more and more in knowledge and depth of insight.
Philippians 1:9
I will tell you again... You need to pray to find yourself a pastor who is equipped to teach beyond a baby Christian level.We have all been there....
There comes a time when you must learn to cross the street doctrinally without someone holding your hand.
It has nothing to do with human age, but spiritual maturity. There are 70 year old Christians going on two, who
have refused to go learn to think doctrinally with insight and understanding.
And, if you noted.. Those who refuse will also also grow in their capacity to know God's love as God would have it.
And this is my prayer: that your love may abound
more and more in knowledge and depth of insight.
more and more in knowledge and depth of insight.
Philippians 1:9
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If you can't see Scripture in what he had written then I doubt you have true biblical discernment and are with those who are carnally minded and think that they are saved by looking at themselves and not Christ.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rev 3:16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rev 3:16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.