Do stillborns and deceased babies go to 'hell'
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Actually, what we are really arguing with is your ignorance. 
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Oh boy....
Psalm 58:3 Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.
This is the language of hyperbole, and is certainly not the profession of the doctrine of original sin. You've just exposed yourself as having no reading comprehension skills.
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There are a lot of people who have already weighed in on this but I have a couple of observations.
First, Man did you pick a tough subject that few want to hear the truth on. Most would say babies are born innocent. But are they?
Second: To believe that babies are born innocent or sinless, one would have to deny "original" sin.
Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
Third, This does not agree with the OT either.
Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. This means a baby is "estranged from God" because of original sin and though might not have time to commit an act of moral sin, before infant death, the baby would still be Judged because of original sin.
However, it is possible, according to Scripture, that a baby could be blessed while still in the womb. While this is a rare case - it was said of David and John the Baptizer.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
In the end, I think we should let the Lord decide these things.
First, Man did you pick a tough subject that few want to hear the truth on. Most would say babies are born innocent. But are they?
Second: To believe that babies are born innocent or sinless, one would have to deny "original" sin.
Rom 5:12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--
Third, This does not agree with the OT either.
Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. This means a baby is "estranged from God" because of original sin and though might not have time to commit an act of moral sin, before infant death, the baby would still be Judged because of original sin.
However, it is possible, according to Scripture, that a baby could be blessed while still in the womb. While this is a rare case - it was said of David and John the Baptizer.
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.
In the end, I think we should let the Lord decide these things.
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You're welcome to your opinion.
Have a nice day.
Have a nice day.
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Oh boy....
Psalm 58:3 Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.
This is the language of hyperbole, and is certainly not the profession of the doctrine of original sin. You've just exposed yourself as having no reading comprehension skills.
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Psalm 58:3 Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.
This is the language of hyperbole, and is certainly not the profession of the doctrine of original sin. You've just exposed yourself as having no reading comprehension skills.
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What you see as arguing with God, is what every person in there life time does at some point
People fall into desperate places
And lose there love.
It's not that there incapable of loving or that not loving should be seen as a worse sin than others, it's case they need to find the love again..
Do you ever even stop to pray for all theese babies you think might not have any love.
Do you ever pray for a blind man,
I have never met or heard of child that doesn't get upset when they don't feel loved.
Which means they all have love in them.
Which as an adult it's the adult responsibility to restore children who are feeling unloved.
Jesus said see to it you despise my little one's which means he views all children as needing love.
Which means Jesus recognises that when a person is not loving we are to not Judge them as if there evil but to understand and pray for guidance. And seek guidance.
A blind man is no different really.
To a healthy adult who is not blind is no different,
If an adult has never had love or correct love as a child, they to are need of help. If there not loving.
Obviously this is where all these issues arise with fake Calvinism
Jean Calvin said every person is divinely sown a seed.
So why can't you follow that.
Why you choose to go to the condition of people in the old testament over the new testament.
People fall into desperate places
And lose there love.
It's not that there incapable of loving or that not loving should be seen as a worse sin than others, it's case they need to find the love again..
Do you ever even stop to pray for all theese babies you think might not have any love.
Do you ever pray for a blind man,
I have never met or heard of child that doesn't get upset when they don't feel loved.
Which means they all have love in them.
Which as an adult it's the adult responsibility to restore children who are feeling unloved.
Jesus said see to it you despise my little one's which means he views all children as needing love.
Which means Jesus recognises that when a person is not loving we are to not Judge them as if there evil but to understand and pray for guidance. And seek guidance.
A blind man is no different really.
To a healthy adult who is not blind is no different,
If an adult has never had love or correct love as a child, they to are need of help. If there not loving.
Obviously this is where all these issues arise with fake Calvinism
Jean Calvin said every person is divinely sown a seed.
So why can't you follow that.
Why you choose to go to the condition of people in the old testament over the new testament.
Fact is.These verses are not speaking about stillborns and dead babies at all.
That is your addition to these verses.
58 Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?
2 Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O Lord.
Anyone with common sense knows a stillborn doesn't tell lies.Stillborns and dead babies don't speak at all.
What happened to your common sense?
That is your addition to these verses.
58 Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?
2 Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O Lord.
Anyone with common sense knows a stillborn doesn't tell lies.Stillborns and dead babies don't speak at all.
What happened to your common sense?
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No, I'm arguing that you can't understand when God is using figurative speech.
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I'm talking about other scripture your not willing to talk about because your not a real Calvinist
Jean Calvin said God divinely sows a seed in everyone
Mathew 18
See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.
Jean Calvin said God divinely sows a seed in everyone
Mathew 18
See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.