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There is a difference between the use of slang and changing the meaning of words to suit one's ego so their feelings aren't hurt.
I am assuming you know what a yobbo is? Sometimes, it is from the uncouth one gets the most direct and most appropriate understanding of language and is usually guaranteed to offend.
Had an Aussie lady checking into the hotel the other night.
The kids she was with were being rambunctious and a bit noisy in the lobby.
She was a very nice lady.. had a lovely Aussie accent.
She smiled, and said something about the way they were behaving. They they were her bunch of yobbos.
That is when I learned that one...
Her mother also told me how the correct way "strewth" is said.
Up to then, I had that one all wrong.
Learning proper English is a lifetime endeavor!
They suppress the truth they initially accepted.... They "pervert" the truth with lies.
So God hands them over to the demons that inspired the lies, and they end up perverted like the demons..
Luke is the only one who speaks of the "finger of God". Matthew speaks of the Spirit. Mark infers the Spirit.
Luke makes no reference to the Pharisees, but to "sons of" (11:19) "some from [the crowd]" (11:14-15).
Assuming the 3 writers are referring to the same event, Luke is making some changes for his purposes in writing his gospel. His point looks to be much greater than having anything to do with the Egyptian magicians.
There's also a study referenced in the NET Bible - which also shows up in other version and discussion notes - about the "sons" of some from the crowd in Luke 11:19
NET Notes (Luk 11:19)
54 sn Most read your sons as a reference to Jewish exorcists (cf. "your followers," L&N 9.4; for various views see D. L. Bock, Luke [BECNT], 2:1077–78), but more likely this is a reference to the disciples of Jesus themselves, who are also Jewish and have been healing as well (R. J. Shirock, "Whose Exorcists are they? The Referents of οἱ υἱοὶ ὑμῶν at Matthew 12:27/Luke 11:19, " JSNT 46 [1992]: 41-51). If this is a reference to the disciples, then Jesus' point is that it is not only him, but those associated with him whose power the hearers must assess. The following reference to judging also favors this reading.
So the comparison between the sons of the Pharisees and the Egyptian magicians is not as clear as some have made it to be.
It remains that Jesus did not acknowledge or agree with the lawless ones that they had actually done what they say. Maybe they did (Mark 9:38). Maybe they didn't. Jesus in Matthew simply does not say.
there are many false prophets as Christ had warned.
I came across this quote from Pink this morning and felt it reflected exactly what was being discussed.
Arthur Pink had a mindset that some Christians find their opinions line up with his...
Pink was typically a very pious religious man who had his opinions that others like himself would sympathetically vibrate with.
I was simply following the theological schematic Jesus laid out in Matthew 7:21-23.
Unlike Pink, I do not do devotionals, and then call it doctrine.
If you think Pink is incorrect then please use Scripture to correct his errors for the benefit of all. Failure to do so will prove that your statements are fallacious and that you refuse to be taught or be willing to heed the words of men that God ordains to teach His body such as your Pastor if you have one.
He gave no chapter and verse to back his conclusions.
If someone is willing to accept what he said on that basis?
I feel little desire to do all the work at this point.
You seem to sympathize with his bias. So be it.
grace and peace .........
Had an Aussie lady checking into the hotel the other night.
The kids she was with were being rambunctious and a bit noisy in the lobby.
She was a very nice lady.. had a lovely Aussie accent.
She smiled, and said something about the way they were behaving. They they were her bunch of yobbos.
That is when I learned that one...
Her mother also told me how the correct way "strewth" is said.
Up to then, I had that one all wrong.
Learning proper English is a lifetime endeavor!
So how were you thinking strewth was said? I thought it would be fairly evident, as it's generally considered to be a contraction of "God's truth" or It's truth".
They showed me how it has a bit of an oomph behind it when expressed. That was how I pictured you were saying it, but when I said it to them to ask what the word means, they made sure for me not to say it casually like I had, to tell them the word. I was pleased to hear how its a word that reveals civil dogmatic conviction..
gotquestions.org explains what I mean by "mental assent" much better than I am able to communicate:
To give intellectual assent is to agree with something on a factual basis. Faith involves intellectual assent, and intellectual assent is an important part of faith, but faith is much more than knowing facts.
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Intellectual assent is a necessary part of saving faith. No one can be saved who denies the basic facts about Jesus recorded in the New Testament. But saving faith goes beyond acceptance of the facts to embrace the significance of those facts and entrust one’s life to them.
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yes ... they suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18) ... and God gives them over as they step further and further away from Him ... Rom 1:24, Rom 1:26, Rom 1:28 show the downward spiral to reprobate mind.
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Matthew 12:24 tells us Jesus was speaking to pharisees.
Jesus flat out told the pharisees and all who were present that He cast the demon out by the power of God ... not through any other means ... that the kingdom of God is come unto you (Luke 11:20).
His point was that since He cast out demons with the finger of God (Luke 11:20) or the spirit of God (Matt 12:28) and their claim that it was somehow different than how their disciples cast out demons, then it was their disciples who cast out demons through the power of satan.
The pharisees would have known of the record of the finger of God in Exodus. The pharisees diligently studied Scripture and were very knowledgeable of the record.
In Exodus, each time Moses requested of pharaoh to let the children of Israel go and pharaoh refused, God responded with various plagues ... each of which was directed at the idols of Egypt.
Before the record concerning the lice in Ex 8, the magicians of Egypt replicated through their enchantments ... but the magicians could not bring forth lice and from that point on, whenever God brought judgment upon Egypt, the land of Goshen (which is where the children of Israel dwelt) was spared.
Exodus 8:22-23 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth. And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.
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In Him means that heavens exist in Him and not in Him
All heavens should be integrated back to Him
To be saved one should be reintegrated into Him
Which, only under the assumption it is the same event as in Luke 11, then Luke deemphasized the Pharisees for some reason, which some explain as being within the focus of Luke's agenda in his Gospel..
Actually, Jesus used some logic to tell everyone how He cast out demons. It's the meaning and reasoning of His argument that's being discussed.
So, the "finger of God" and the "Spirit if God" are synonymous? So, if Luke had not written "finger of God" but the "Spirit of God" as did Matthew, then we would still know to go back to Exodus 8? Again, there are assumptions being made.
So, the reasoning is that Satan is acting against himself by having the Pharisees' sons cast out demons. And then there's the reasoning that Satan is just deploying a deceptive strategy by having the Pharisees' sons (and charlatans in our time) cast out demons to make it look like they have the power of God. And then there's the the reasoning that...
Here's a discussion on some of the reasoning: Exegesis
The article reference I supplied from the NET Bible I can only find on subscription sites I don't currently subscribe to. It's seems clear the article reasons the sons in Luke 11 are Jesus' disciples - Jews and sons of Israel - as one of the participants in the above Exegesis link mentions.
This link in the drop down section to the right of the verses will explain that there are different opinions on who the sons are: BibleRef
BTW, I'm not trying to take your favored view away from you. I am however revealing that there are different views which seem to deserve some consideration.
They are skimming the surface,,,, No depth.
Mental assent is seeing the facts not for yourself. But imagining seeing the facts as someone else who does accept them would,
and without the personal connection to the facts as the one whom God granted faith. It amounts to being analytical detachment.
What makes one a believer by grace is revealing that one wishes what the facts were are true, and keeps seeking ways to find that they are true. That is what the Bereans did after hearing Paul's teachings. (Acts 17:11) In their case, they searched the Scriptures daily in the desire to prove Paul's words to be true... They were not searching the Scriptures to see if Paul was pulling a fast one. They liked what Paul had said and wanted very much to prove his words true. That is why Paul said that the Bereans were the most noble -open minded - people. Not like some we find in forums online that slam their minds shut when something knocks on the door of their rigid acceptance of dogma that contradicts God and His Word. Losing your salvation is one example... TULIP is another. Lets not forget 'speaking in tongues' as well.
God is testing our minds and emotions seeking those whom He can raise up into His happinesses....
grace and peace ..............
wow.... what an imagination you have.
we are not writing fiction. This is not creative writing class.It’s easy to “overthink” the conversion from death to life.
One says, “I understand what you say, but I don’t believe it.”
Another says, “ I understand what your’e saying, and I believe it to be true.”
Is there another part to this, though: “ I understand what you're saying, and I believe it to be true, but I don't care.”?