Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[Charlie_2024]

You do know he was a homosexual?

I don't know that and neither do you. But God can and does use all kinds of people to fulfill His will. Satan also reluctantly serves God.

Why do you people always pay the man instead of the ball, I can only imagine it has to do with hatred of the truth. You attack anyone who speaks the truth, but you never defend the charges against you

 

[Charlie_2024]

Now you're claiming God is a murderer. Those people loved sin more than they loved God. He didn't choose their path, they did.



You can say it a million more times. You're wrong. You've been proven wrong and yet you keep going in circles.



God is love, that is His character. Love is what motivates Him. But He is also a just judge. So when the day comes that people have refused to turn from their sin, He will allow them their choice.

I get you're not reading my posts and just throwing anything you think will stick to the wall, but you will apologize for that comment, if you're any kind of Christian that is.



Well here's the thing Bub, the Bible says that while we were sinners God loved us. Sinners are evil doers. That's who you once were before God saved you. So it's a rather moronic comment considering God loves you!



Every time you lie, I'm going to post what the Word says.

Luke 15- And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
And he spake this parable unto them, saying, What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. KJV

JOHN 3:16 KJV 16 For God so loved the world...

2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. KJV


Ephesians 4:32 King James Version
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

1 John 4:8 King James Version
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


Romans 2:4 King James Version
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Ezekiel 18:23 King James Version
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Romans 5:10 King James Version
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Just a few to prove you're wrong.




Verses have shown you, from your preferred translation, that God doesn't wish for anyone to go to hell. Are you you calling Him a liar?



You know for someone who hates reprobates, you lie an awful lot.

“For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord, repent and live!” – Ezekiel 18:31

LOVE!!

Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

LOVE!!

Luke 15:1-32
Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.” So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. ...


LOVE!!

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

LOVE!!


1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

LOVE!!



Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

LOVE!!



1 John 4:8
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love!!!

None of those verses say that God is love, so stop lying and abusing Gods Word to push the Doctrine of Demons.

You simply can't answer the questions I have asked, so you twist bible verses to make them say what you want them to say. God hates this practice so much that He promised to cast all those who do this into the lake of fire.

If you want to cite bible verses to defend your private opinion, you need to explain how the given verse applies to defend your opinion. Simply plucking verses out of their intended context and listing them does nothing to defend your opinion.

There are 40,000 different ways to interpret each verse, so citing verses is foolish without showing how they apply to support your private view.

You have placed your trust in your private opinion, instead of placing your trust in the Lord. you trust in your emotions and flawed wisdom to guide you into all truth. Good luck with that, you mock the God of the bible and blaspheme against His Word all the time. You have a very low view of God and you no fear of Him, that's why you reject what He said and make your own false doctrine and push it as truth.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Now you're claiming God is a murderer. Those people loved sin more than they loved God. He didn't choose their path, they did.



You can say it a million more times. You're wrong. You've been proven wrong and yet you keep going in circles.



God is love, that is His character. Love is what motivates Him. But He is also a just judge. So when the day comes that people have refused to turn from their sin, He will allow them their choice.

I get you're not reading my posts and just throwing anything you think will stick to the wall, but you will apologize for that comment, if you're any kind of Christian that is.



Well here's the thing Bub, the Bible says that while we were sinners God loved us. Sinners are evil doers. That's who you once were before God saved you. So it's a rather moronic comment considering God loves you!



Every time you lie, I'm going to post what the Word says.

Luke 15- And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.
And he spake this parable unto them, saying, What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. KJV

JOHN 3:16 KJV 16 For God so loved the world...

2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. KJV


Ephesians 4:32 King James Version
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

1 John 4:8 King James Version
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


Romans 2:4 King James Version
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Ezekiel 18:23 King James Version
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Romans 5:10 King James Version
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Just a few to prove you're wrong.




Verses have shown you, from your preferred translation, that God doesn't wish for anyone to go to hell. Are you you calling Him a liar?



You know for someone who hates reprobates, you lie an awful lot.

“For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord, repent and live!” – Ezekiel 18:31

LOVE!!

Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

LOVE!!

Luke 15:1-32
Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.” So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. ...


LOVE!!

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

LOVE!!


1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

LOVE!!



Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

LOVE!!



1 John 4:8
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love!!!

I forgot to rebuke you for your first statement in your reply, where you said God is not a murderer and claiming that those people God hates and kills all love their sin more than they loved God and saying they chose their path.

That comment shows your ignorance, regarding the charges against you. I said the God of the bible hates people before they're born, I qualified my statement by quoting what God said, when He decided to kill all the inhabitants of the world (save 8 people). I pointed out this involved billions of people, including unborn babies.

You responded by pushing your lies and saying that "God is not a murderer, and those unborn babies loved their sin more than God so they chose the lake of fire, instead of eternal paradise. This makes you a pure Calvinist!!! and a hypocrite

 

[Charlie_2024]

Well @Charlie_2024 needs help to understand this, so I appreciate your efforts sis 😊

Why do you appreciate false doctrine and lies. Nobody ever said God created anyone to be condemned to hell. You need to ask them who said such a sick thing and ask them to show where and when before you jump up and down and applaud a liar and false accuser.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Hey @Charlie_2024. I appreciate your efforts but jean Calvin said God divinely sows a seed in all men

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Why do you appreciate false doctrine and lies. Nobody ever said God created anyone to be condemned to hell. You need to ask them who said such a sick thing and ask them to show where and when before you jump up and down and applaud a liar and false accuser.

By favoring the false Calvinist belief that the people who are saved now was chosen to be saved before the fall is saying God has predestined people to hell. Before the fall to, because it's also saying before the fall God decided who also go to hell as well as who also should be saved.


I'm sorry but I can't have this false Calvinist belief, Jean Calvin said God divinely sows a seed in all men.

I have been all around the world with false calvinist belief and shown his life exists in all men, and man was chosen to be saved after the fall.

So I'm very much fed up with going backwards

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Why do you appreciate false doctrine and lies. Nobody ever said God created anyone to be condemned to hell. You need to ask them who said such a sick thing and ask them to show where and when before you jump up and down and applaud a liar and false accuser.

I did correct her I told her God decides who goes to hell.

But besides my reply to her was to ask her to settle her understanding with you 😊

So i still love you lots like jelly tots

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Ring out the bell 😊 @Charlie_2024

Jean Calvin said God divinely sows a seed in all men

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The Gospel is indeed good news to every single person in this world who hears it. It declares the goodness of God's holy, righteous, just hatred of evil and eternal wrath against it as well as His perfectly good mercy, grace and love to those He justly saves from that evil in Christ Jesus.

Do you believe what Scripture says below about the way the Gospel goes forth throughout the world?

2Co 2:14 Now thanks be to God who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and through us diffuses the fragrance of His knowledge in every place.
2Co 2:15 For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.
2Co 2:16 To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

Not sure how this changes the fact that God so loved THE WORLD.

Yes we are a fragrance, God did not send his son to die for nothing, we are his result and his reward

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

true, and the only ones who come to Him are those He has chosen to do so and draws unto Himself. Are the Scriptures below wrong?

Act 13:48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Joh 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

Psa 65:4a Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You,

Again does not prove your point. In the same passage of John Jesus said this

John 6:
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

You see, Just like in John 3, There are two people

the one who believes,

and the one who does not believe.

that is what seperates the saved from the lost. That is Gods will.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

you missed a great portion of Scripture where Christ explains to Nicodemus who that this rebirth is spiritual and outside of the control of man.

Actually, no I did not miss anything

Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Nicodemus was the head teacher of Israel but was blinded to this simple truth which the prophet Ezekiel spoke of below, as was the whole nation who were handed over, as prophesied to stumble over this simple truth as you currently also are.

Eze_36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze_36:27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

Christ told His disciples that salvation was impossible for men but you seem to insist that Christ was wrong.

Mar 10:26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, "Who then can be saved?"
Mar 10:27 But Jesus looked at them and said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible."

The repentance and faith which God justly commands from all people is only made possible by grace which grants it is a gift of God to His people.

You missed his point altogether.

I agree with Jesus, being born again is not something we see or feel. We do not know where it comes from.

But right after this, when Nicodemus asked how it can be, Jesus told him.

You don't just cot a passage out of context.

Those who look and believe are born again.

Those who do not, are lost.

But those who are born again through faith do not know where it came from..

 

[notmyown]

we are his result and his reward

thanks for this. this completely changed the way i pray for the lost. now, i not only pray for their sakes, but that our Lord will have the fullness of His reward, to His eternal glory.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

as long as you still believe that you have the power to choose God

Who said I had the power to chose God? There you go again assuming, because your listening to what you are taught and what people are actually saying..

you have not yet seen how wicked you are and are not yet truly humbled, but I pray that these exhortations will be used by the Holy Spirit to do so.

How wicked am I?

All have sinned and fall short. All includes me

Every moment I wake up and I am not in hell I am blessed. because that's where I deserve to be.

The tax collector did nto chose God. He chose to cry out for Gods mercy, because he understood his situation.

I did that 40 some years ago.. You should stop assuming you know what anyone did or did not do.

Those who received Christ did so because as the verse you quoted says, He gave them the right to do so and the following verse further confirms that it is of God's will and not mans.

Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

There you go again pulling verses out of context.

John 1: 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


1. The right to become Gods child comes through receiving him
2. I can not be saved through bloodline (like the jew believed)
3. I can not will myself saved (through the flesh)
4. And I can;t will my child to be saved, and they are saved.

But I must receive him.

You should watch how you cut and pic and chose verses out of context. and ask yourself why you do it.,

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

None of those verses say that God is love, so stop lying and abusing Gods Word to push the Doctrine of Demons.

So you lie with it right in front of your face! Well at least I've made my point and people can see you're lying.

You simply can't answer the questions I have asked, so you twist bible verses to make them say what you want them to say.

The verses are direct and in plain English. At this point my guess is you're lying because you like the attention. Let's cure that here and now. You've been proved wrong on everything you've with the Bible, you don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

true assurance does not come from looking at a persons faith or works but from trusting in the person and work of Christ who grants this through His Holy Spirit to His children and confirms their salvation to them.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Those who are truly children of God, no longer live for themselves but by the grace of God are made willing to die daily to themselves and live, suffer and die for Him who lived, suffered, died and rose again for them.

If someone put a gun to your head and gave you three seconds to deny Christ or die. What would you do?

1. To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord.
2. John said I write these things so you may KNOW you have eternal life, and continue to believe in his name.
3. I have been chastened from God numerous times. I know I am saved.

Nothing you say or do will change what God has shown me in my lifetime

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I don't know that and neither do you. But God can and does use all kinds of people to fulfill His will. Satan also reluctantly serves God.
Why do you people always pay the man instead of the ball, I can only imagine it has to do with hatred of the truth. You attack anyone who speaks the truth, but you never defend the charges against you

Well known to history, he was a homosexual. You said he was a servant of God, he wasn't. Proved wrong again

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

the first man has room for boasting and can thank himself for going to the gym and doing all those wrist strength exercises that gave him such a firm grip on the rope whereas the second man has nothing in which to boast in at all and all of the glory goes to God alone and this is what the Scriptures confirm.

oh boy.

1Co 1:26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
1Co 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
1Co 1:29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.

Ultimately, your view comes down to whether man is indeed spiritually dead or not and whether God lied to Adam that he would die that day or not in Genesis 2:17.

Let me share a better example..

Two people are out in the ocean after a shipwreck.

A savior is sent to save them,

1 person does what the savior says, and just allows him to save him

the other fights and refuses to let the savior do the job, and eventually rejects him.

the person that is saved can not boast of saving himself. because he trusted the savior.

He will boast in the savior.

Again I re-iterate, neither of the people in your example can boast. I reject your notion the one guy could boast..

I can not boast of saving myself. i did nothing!! Christ did it all.

nothing you say can change that

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

How can a person who thinks that they have a free will and are therefore independent and autonomous from God truly expect to have their prayers for the salvation of other answered?

God has answered those prayers many times.

Try it,. You may like it

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I forgot to rebuke you for your first statement in your reply, where you said God is not a murderer and claiming that those people God hates and kills all love their sin more than they loved God and saying they chose their path.

That comment shows your ignorance, regarding the charges against you. I said the God of the bible hates people before they're born, I qualified my statement by quoting what God said, when He decided to kill all the inhabitants of the world (save 8 people). I pointed out this involved billions of people, including unborn babies.

You responded by pushing your lies and saying that "God is not a murderer, and those unborn babies loved their sin more than God so they chose the lake of fire, instead of eternal paradise. This makes you a pure Calvinist!!! and a hypocrite

You rebuking someone.

lol

now thats funny

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

thanks for this. this completely changed the way i pray for the lost. now, i not only pray for their sakes, but that our Lord will have the fullness of His reward, to His eternal glory.

I like this. I will pray for the same..