Do those condemned to hell suffer forever?

[Rebelfortruth]

I have been discussing with my friend if the suffering to those condemned to hell eventually ends, my views are that there is no end because the Book of Revelation explicity states that the devil, the false prophet and the beast are thrown alive into the lake of fire which means they are not even Judged, and they are tormented forever and ever. Then the wicked humanity are resurrected and condemned after judgment and they join the original three in hell. My friend holds the view that the fires of hell burn them and they perish eventually, which doctrine is true?

John 16:10-11 states the Earth is under judgment because the prince of this world is judged. Some translations use ruler but isn't it referring to the one we call the devil already being judged. Nothing is said about death and Hell but they too a probably already judged, maybe when Jesus spent three nights in hell, he may have passed judgment on them two then......... The Book of Revelation doesn't say anything about when the Angels held at the bottom of the Euphrates was judged but scripture says they were being held in chains of darkness for judgment.

The Hebrew word for hell is Sheol and it means a place of darkness and gloom who are spirits go after death from this world. It did not mean a place of burning fire and eternal punishment to the Hebrews.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/sheol

If I am correct hell's fire and eternal punishment in hell is not in the Old Testament. And it seems the definition of Hell / Sheol changed in the New Testament. Could that be because the New Testament was originally written in Greek; and had a Greek influence.

Matthew 10:28 _ Jesus said don't fear Him who can destroy the body but fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell - what does destroy mean?

And what is the second death of all of those who will be cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 21:8 _ 20:6&14 _ 2:11? It seems to mean those who are cast into the lake of fire will be destroyed, cease to exist.

Everlasting punishment as written in Matthew 25:46 seemingly means judgment is passed, the punishment is final.

But the Bible is clear the fires of hell is eternal and never cease.

Weeping and gashing of teeth _naturally that would occur _ weeping the realization that it's real gashing of teeth from fear then pain.

Hell has been a debate in Christianity throughout some centuries.

Scriptures indicate destruction for all except the devil, death, and hell - they seemingly are the only ones where the Bible says will be tortured day and night forever. Which actually may only be the devil - death and hell seemingly are not entities /spirits with or without forms. Death is what humans experience when their Spirit leaves the earthly bodies and Hell Is The place God created for the Angels. So?

https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Fire-Of-Hell

 

[MetaSpiritual]

You're only forgiven if you receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior while you're alive and remain in Him to the end.

Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

If you reject Him while you were alive and then died, you missed your chance.


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Actually you will know in your heart if Jesus will accept you and this is evident when the Holy Spirit comes inside to live with you

 

[ewq1938]

In the Gospel of Mark Jesus says, ' Where the worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.'
This means the fires of Hell never stop. Also means those in Hell will last as long as the fire lasts. Forever!

It also proves that worms have immortality.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

It also proves that worms have immortality.

Excellent observation

 

[ewq1938]

Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Doesn't sound like being alive forever to me.

 

[ewq1938]

Excellent observation

The other part of the verse shows this is speaking about the bodies of the dead so not about what happens in hell.


Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[Avestan]

You're only forgiven if you receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior while you're alive and remain in Him to the end.

Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

If you reject Him while you were alive and then died, you missed your chance.


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It’s my understanding that Hebrews 9:27 is from a different religion.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

It’s my understanding that Hebrews 9:27 is from a different religion.

Seek God's understanding, not your own.


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[Pilgrimshope]

I have been discussing with my friend if the suffering to those condemned to hell eventually ends, my views are that there is no end because the Book of Revelation explicity states that the devil, the false prophet and the beast are thrown alive into the lake of fire which means they are not even Judged, and they are tormented forever and ever. Then the wicked humanity are resurrected and condemned after judgment and they join the original three in hell. My friend holds the view that the fires of hell burn them and they perish eventually, which doctrine is true?

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. ( destroyed ) This is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[TMS]

I have been discussing with my friend if the suffering to those condemned to hell eventually ends,

Does suffering end? Yes
Do people perish if they are lost? Yes.

The first lie that the devil told was....
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Don't repeat this lie... you will die if you are not eternally saved.

Those that are not written in the book of LIFE are going to perish. The result will be Eternal death. Not eternal life.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Revelation is clear that there will be a second death..

Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20: 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Ecc 9:5-6
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

The dead don't think or know anything.
Death = nothingness, not life in hell.

 

[PaulThomson]

I have been discussing with my friend if the suffering to those condemned to hell eventually ends, my views are that there is no end because the Book of Revelation explicity states that the devil, the false prophet and the beast are thrown alive into the lake of fire which means they are not even Judged, and they are tormented forever and ever. Then the wicked humanity are resurrected and condemned after judgment and they join the original three in hell. My friend holds the view that the fires of hell burn them and they perish eventually, which doctrine is true?

Personally, I believe God is love and is always looking to rele with his enemies, and that any blockage between God and His creatures must be produced from the creature's side. I don't think God changes His own character at certain points in time to become and unforgiving vengeful old codger.

 

[PaulThomson]

Personally, I believe God is love and is always looking to rele with his enemies, and that any blockage between God and His creatures must be produced from the creature's side. I don't think God changes His own character at certain points in time to become and unforgiving vengeful old codger.

That should say:

Personally, I believe God is love and is always looking to reconcile with his enemies, and that any blockage between God and His creatures must be produced from the creature's side. I don't think God changes His own character at certain points in time to become and unforgiving vengeful old codger.

 

[PaulThomson]

Ecc 9:5-6
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

The dead don't think or know anything.
Death = nothingness, not life in hell.

Ecclesiastes is written from the point of view of a scientific materialist observing the sensible data. To such a person poking, kicking, questioning and yelling at dead bodies, the only scientific conclusion of the data is that those dead know nothing. He is only dealing with what can be seen (under the sun).

 

[MetaSpiritual]

Ecclesiastes is written from the point of view of a scientific materialist observing the sensible data. To such a person poking, kicking, questioning and yelling at dead bodies, the only scientific conclusion of the data is that those dead know nothing. He is only dealing with what can be seen (under the sun).

Yes until God calls everyone back to life just as Jesus died and came back to life. The vision Ezekiel saw in the valley of the dry bones shows God's plans for the dead because God knows the cause of everyone's death and their burial place. God will simply tell Jesus that the time has come and then Jesus will shout with a loud voice and the dead in christ will hear it and come back to life. The same reason why Jesus raised the dead shows what will happen in the end of the age where graves will give up their dead.

 

[Charlie_2024]

I have been discussing with my friend if the suffering to those condemned to hell eventually ends, my views are that there is no end because the Book of Revelation explicity states that the devil, the false prophet and the beast are thrown alive into the lake of fire which means they are not even Judged, and they are tormented forever and ever. Then the wicked humanity are resurrected and condemned after judgment and they join the original three in hell. My friend holds the view that the fires of hell burn them and they perish eventually, which doctrine is true?

Jesus spoke about the eternal torment of sinners in hell, more than anyone in history. He talked about hell much more than heaven, He described it as a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth. He always made it clear that those in hell are tormented in the fire, day and night for ever and ever.

He said their worm never dies, so they experience dying in flames forever but they can never die so the torment is eternal. There is no way out and no possibility of any mercy or hope of repentance. Jesus said those in hell continually blaspheme the name of God because of the agony of the flames.
The pain is so excruciating that all they can do is scream at the top of their lungs and blaspheme the name of God, that in itself assures they never come to a place of peace to enable them to repent.

The doctrine of hell is the most shocking of all bible doctrines. It's so horrible that most Churches never mention it and they sweep it under the carpet. But it is a very important and sobering doctrine, because it drives the fear of God right into the heart. The fear of God is a command to all believers, we must fear Him above all else. That keeps us from giving ourselves over to temptation.

 

[MetaSpiritual]

Jesus spoke about the eternal torment of sinners in hell, more than anyone in history. He talked about hell much more than heaven, He described it as a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth. He always made it clear that those in hell are tormented in the fire, day and night for ever and ever.

He said their worm never dies, so they experience dying in flames forever but they can never die so the torment is eternal. There is no way out and no possibility of any mercy or hope of repentance. Jesus said those in hell continually blaspheme the name of God because of the agony of the flames.
The pain is so excruciating that all they can do is scream at the top of their lungs and blaspheme the name of God, that in itself assures they never come to a place of peace to enable them to repent.

The doctrine of hell is the most shocking of all bible doctrines. It's so horrible that most Churches never mention it and they sweep it under the carpet. But it is a very important and sobering doctrine, because it drives the fear of God right into the heart. The fear of God is a command to all believers, we must fear Him above all else. That keeps us from giving ourselves over to temptation.

You may wanna check the verse in the book of Mathew that says why we should fear him who destroys the body and the soul in hell and also why believers perish in the book of John

 

[Charlie_2024]

You may wanna check the verse in the book of Mathew that says why we should fear him who destroys the body and the soul in hell and also why believers perish in the book of John

We need to consider what the bible means by "destroys the body and soul in hell" and "unbelievers perish".

These verses must conform with other bible passages which speak about the same things. Then bible does say that those in hell experience dying forever but they are never annihilated. Likewise they experience their soul dying in like manner, Adams soul died, the day He sinned but he appeared biologically alive.

Unbelievers will continue to perish forever in hell, but they are never annihilated. The bible interprets the bible, the context of the words used in the bible don't always sound right when translated into modern English. So it's important to consider all the other scriptures which deal with a particular doctrine to make sure we get the context right.

 

[ewq1938]

He always made it clear that those in hell are tormented in the fire, day and night for ever and ever.

Please quote Jesus saying that about people in the LOF.

 

[ewq1938]

Then bible does say that those in hell experience dying forever but they are never annihilated.

Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Doesn't sound like being alive forever to me.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Please quote Jesus saying that about people in the LOF.

I'm surprised you don't know what the bible teaches on the subject. There are many good study tools on various websites. It would be worth taking advantage of them so you can be informed and then you can make qualified claims, rather then expressing your emotional responses
Matthew 25:41
Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.