Did Jesus Have an Advantage over Pre-Fall Adam During the Incarnation?

[Cameron143]

For pity sake man pick up that Bible and read it. It's everywhere.

He says He has the power and authority to do so, but it never states that He did. On the other hand, it does state that the Father raised Him from the dead, and that He commended Himself to the Father before dying.

 

[PaulThomson]

For pity sake man pick up that Bible and read it. It's everywhere.

Nope. Jesus said He would raise His body from the slab in the tomb ("this temple" = "His body"). He did not say he would raise His own soul out of hades.
He did say he had authority (was authorised) to lay His soul/life down, and had authority (was authorised) to receive it back..
Nowhere does it say He raised Himself from the dead.

 

[Cameron143]

God can't do things that humans think are unGodlike. He's not that omnipotent. :sarcasm:

Becoming a man was very Godlike...more sarcasm.
The whole point of becoming like us was so He could represent us. As the second Adam, He would have been subject to dependency on the Father.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

The Trinity are indivisible. The Bible clearly states that Jesus resurrected Himself. That he was resurrected by the Father. And that He was resurrected by the Holy Ghost.

God is One, therefore Jesus can say that "if you have seen Me you have seen the Father".

Oh and another thing: Jesus wasn't simply born. He arrived. He visited his people. He tabernacled among us. Keyword Tabernacle.

Is that of any help to you?

I don't need help with any of that.

I'm just stating that Jesus laid down all those privileges so He can show us how to live godly lives in the power of the Holy Spirit. That way, we can't say, "But Jesus! I can't possible do any of the things you've done because I'm just a mere human being and you're God".

I think some people don't want to acknowledge that because they don't want to face the responsibility we have of abiding in the Holy Spirit.


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[PaulThomson]

The Trinity are indivisible. The Bible clearly states that Jesus resurrected Himself. That he was resurrected by the Father. And that He was resurrected by the Holy Ghost.

The Trinity are indivisible? Do you mean inseparable? The Bible never says Jesus resurrected Himself. The trinity can be inseparable, but each Person do different things.

 

[PaulThomson]

The whole point of becoming like us was so He could represent us. As the second Adam, He would have been subject to dependency on the Father.

What if part of the point of becoming human was product testing? What of God wanted to make sure He had justly condemned Adam, by becoming just like Adam, with the same limitations and challenges, to see whether Adam could have not failed, had Adam wanted not to fail.

 

[PaulThomson]

Becoming a man was very Godlike...more sarcasm.

It was.... very true-God-like.

 

[cv5]

1) I don't need help with any of that.
2) I'm just stating that Jesus laid down all those privileges
3) so He can show us how to live godly lives in the power of the Holy Spirit.

1) If you didn't you wouldn't suffer in your present state of confusion
2) All those privileges? How many is all?
3) Jesus never had any problem with living a godly life. But Paul and Peter certainly did.

 

[Cameron143]

What if part of the point of becoming human was product testing? What of God wanted to make sure He had justly condemned Adam, by becoming just like Adam, with the same limitations and challenges, to see whether Adam could have not failed, had Adam wanted not to fail.

I think God already knew He acted justly. It's part of the nature of God to be just.

 

[PaulThomson]

For pity sake man pick up that Bible and read it. It's everywhere.

And never forget: no one kills Jesus.
No one did kill Jesus. No one can kill Jesus. Jesus is absolutely unkillable.

Jesus laid down his life of his own free will. Not only did he.......he had to. There was no other option.

None of that gives any weight to the claim that Jesus raised Himself from the dead.

 

[Cameron143]

1) If you didn't you wouldn't suffer in your present state of confusion
2) All those privileges? How many is all?
3) Jesus never had any problem with living a godly life. But Paul and Peter certainly did.

No one walking in the Spirit has any problem living a Godly life.

 

[cv5]

Becoming a man was very Godlike...more sarcasm.
The whole point of becoming like us was so He could represent us. As the second Adam, He would have been subject to dependency on the Father.

Except the part of resurrecting Himself. He did that all on His own. And of course being unkillable. That was just part of His omnipotent divine nature.

 

[cv5]

No one walking in the Spirit has any problem living a Godly life.

Everyone except for Paul and Peter.

 

[Cameron143]

Everyone except for Paul and Peter.

They had no problem when they were walking in the Spirit.

 

[PaulThomson]

Restraining omnipotence does not mean eliminating omnipotence.

This restraint of course was scripted in eternity past to fulfill all prophecy. By design and consent.

Whether Jesus restrained or relinquished His pre-incarnate omnipotence is moot. The point is that Jesus did not need to be omnipotent to do any of the things He did during His life. The Father and Holy Spirit were in Him and working through Him during His life. So any miracle He did could quite readily have been performed by either of those two.

 

[Cameron143]

Except the part of resurrecting Himself. He did that all on His own. And of course being unkillable. That was just part of His omnipotent divine nature.

Please show me from scripture where it says Jesus raised Himself.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

1) If you didn't you wouldn't suffer in your present state of confusion
2) All those privileges? How many is all?
3) Jesus never had any problem with living a godly life. But Paul and Peter certainly did.

I was wondering why you were starting a fight over this. Is it because you struggle in your walk?

Submit to the Holy Spirit and He will cause you to obey and live as Jesus did!

In my own experience, the more you submit, the easier it gets!


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[cv5]

None of that gives any weight to the claim that Jesus raised Himself from the dead.

If you don't think that Jesus resurrected Himself from the dead, then you are in a far sorrier state than I had hitherto believed.

That is some truly devastating ignorance.

 

[PaulThomson]

I think God already knew He acted justly. It's part of the nature of God to be just.

Justice must not only be done, but must be SEEN TO BE DONE. No one can argue that they were unable to do right ,if Jesus was like us in every way and did right.

 

[cv5]

1) Whether Jesus restrained or relinquished His pre-incarnate omnipotence is moot.
2) The point is that Jesus did not need to be omnipotent to do any of the things He did during His life.

1) On the contrary your salvation depends upon it.
2) Except the part of raising Himself from the dead. After He was dead. Because it would take an infinite and omnipotent God to resurrect an infinite and omnipotent God.

BTW........when Jesus says that no one knows the Father except the Son, Jesus is declaring Himself to be infinite God. Because only infinite God can fully and in totality know the infinite God.

Which is exactly what Jesus is saying there.