Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[MerSee]

Still refusing to answer by avoidance.

I already answered; God does not love unrepentant sinners who are in hell.

 

[Magenta]

Oh this one is awesome sister I love the animals ….have you ever done Noah’s Ark with any critters ?? I would LOVE to see tbat panel if it exists

haha not to be too demanding

I have used a few different of your panels as a screen on my tablet not stealing just admiring

Thank you, Pilgrimshope! No, you are not stealing, haha... it is fine for you or anyone
to borrow my panels if they wish to. I have never done a Noah's ark. Right now my
document with all my saved urls is not responding to searches, or I would be posting
more of them in response to the many Scriptures you post in your replies to others.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I already answered; God does not love unrepentant sinners who are in hell.

I already knew this, but for the sake of my question to you I researched the Bible in multiple translations. I could not locate anywhere that God made such a claim that He hates unrepentant sinners. Since you continue to make this claim. Is this your own personal understanding or is there a sect/denomination/sub group that preaches/teaches/in their bi-laws or Creed?

My Bible claims God loved me while I was still a sinner, which meant unrepentant sinner, and He died for me in my unrepentant sinful condition.

8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us
^
means while we were still unrepentant sinners...God loved us...

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I won't mind if you derail this tread; it will quickly get back on course.

No doubt, but I try my best not to derail a thread.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I never claimed to be of the elect. I never claimed you not to be of the elect.

How would you know either way? Maybe HE'S the elect and you aren't. You have no way of knowing whether God loves you or him.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Your what you call an unreformed Calvinist with Roman Catholic roots if you dont believe what Jean Calvin wrote here. What he wrote here means tulip goes against what Jean Calvin actually taught.



Read free online also.
https://ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/institutes.iii.v.html

Jean Calvin

1. The knowledge of God suppressed by ignorance, many falling away into superstition. Such persons, however, inexcusable, because their error is accompanied with pride and stubbornness.
2. Stubbornness the companion of impiety.
3. No pretext can justify superstition. This proved, first, from reason; and, secondly, from Scripture.

Look here he says it's possible the wicked can willingly come to God but never do.

4. The wicked never willingly come into the presence of God. Hence their hypocrisy. Hence, too, their sense of Deity leads to no good result.
1. But though experience testifies that a seed of religion is divinely sown in all, scarcely one in a hundred is found who cherishes it in his heart, and not one in whom it grows to maturity so far is it from yielding fruit in its season. Moreover, while some lose themselves in superstitious observances, and others, of set purpose, wickedly revolt from God, the result is that, in regard to the true knowledge of him, all are so degenerate, that in no part of the world can genuine godliness be found. In saying that some fall away into superstition, I mean not to insinuate that their excessive absurdity frees them from guilt; for the blindness under which they labour is almost invariably accompanied with vain pride and stubbornness

All of that was translated by John Calvin's enemies. So it's not a reliable document. The enemies of the truth always falsify documents to discredit those who speak the truth.

I notice, nobody signed that document so it's just rubbish

 

[MerSee]

How would you know either way? Maybe HE'S the elect and you aren't. You have no way of knowing whether God loves you or him.

We will all find out.

 

[MerSee]

All of that was translated by John Calvin's enemies. So it's not a reliable document. The enemies of the truth always falsify documents to discredit those who speak the truth.

I notice, nobody signed that document so it's just rubbish

What is a signature needed for when so many think they can invent their own church just by pretending to believe.!?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

All of that was translated by John Calvin's enemies. So it's not a reliable document. The enemies of the truth always falsify documents to discredit those who speak the truth.

I notice, nobody signed that document so it's just rubbish

It's from his manuscripts friend.

In trying to help you become a true calvin

I'm now officially a true calvin.

So we need to tell on all theses reformed catholics here preaching false Calvin.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin's masterpiece, a summary of biblical theology that became the normative statement of the Reformed faith. It was first published in 1536 and was revised and enlarged by Calvin in several editions before the definitive edition was published in 1559.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Doesn’t say this either in yours ?


“Well your first unbiblical point was that believing the gospel would save souls. That's no where to be found in the bible,”

This isn’t ?

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

yoy should probably read the bible a bit since youve come to a bible discussion forum

at this point I’m going to put you on ignore and let you spew your nonsense at others until they tire of it as I have

I see you can't handle being corrected. You read the Bible backwards. To me that's a Satanic way to read it, as it makes a mockery of the gospel.

You version of the gospel is weak and it suggests that God failed in His mission to save all. You refuse to acknowledge that your gospel has a 95% fail rate, while the trust gospel has a 100% success rate, so your gospel is the false gospel.

Those verses are spoken as an offer of salvation as you read them, that's backwards. They actually say that, only believers will believe. In other words, only the Elect Saints of God will respond by believing the gospel The 95% un elect are going to reject it and that's exactly what we see in the real world.

You delusional gospel version says that intelligent me reject the offer of eternal paradise and accept the offer of eternal torture in the lake of fire. Can you see how insane your version is

 

[Charlie_2024]

I agree, so why do you keep doing it. The verses say God is LOVE. You have nothing you can say to dispute that God says He wishes that none perish. Will the wicked people who insist on their own way be punished in the end, absolutely. But God's will is that all will come to Him, that's what it says in plain words and it's far from rubbish.

That's your false interpretation. Gods is also hate, He can't be love without being hate as well otherwise He's evil.

God said His will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven, but you rubbish that and throw it back into Gods face and rebel against Him and accuse Him of lying.

God is not a liar as you say He is, you need to make up your mind if God lied when He said His will shall be done or was He lying. I believe Him but you say nay God I caught you out. You said you wish that none perish but you can't have your way because your weak and unably to make your wishes come true. Your god is weak, he's a liar and not worthy of worship.

My God is almighty and He never fails to make any of His wishes come true.

 

[Charlie_2024]

It's from his manuscripts friend.

In trying to help you become a true calvin

I'm now officially a true calvin.

So we need to tell on all theses reformed catholics here preaching false Calvin.

Those were not the original scrolls written by Calvin. They are the interpretation of his enemies. So they are not reliable historical documents.

Why don't you have a quick read of what others have found out about Calvinism. Don't just limit yourself to reading what his enemies wrote about him. If you want to have a balanced view, you should consider both side as there are always two sides to every story.

https://www.ligonier.org/podcasts/ask-ligonier/is-calvinism-biblical

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Those were not the original scrolls written by Calvin. They are the interpretation of his enemies. So they are not reliable historical documents.

Why don't you have a quick read of what others have found out about Calvinism. Don't just limit yourself to reading what his enemies wrote about him. If you want to have a balanced view, you should consider both side as there are always two sides to every story.

https://www.ligonier.org/podcasts/ask-ligonier/is-calvinism-biblical

Your so wrong Charlie the five points of tulip never came from John Calvin.

They came 50 years after Calvin died.

You cant call your self a Calvinist because of the five points of tulip.

You have to call yourself a Calvinist because John Calvin was the church father of Calvinists.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Your so wrong Charlie the five points of tulip never came from John Calvin.

They came 50 years after Calvin died.

You cant call your self a Calvinist because of the five points of tulip.

You have to call yourself a Calvinist because John Calvin was the church father of Calvinists.

The TULIP table was written 50 years later, but John is the one who became famous for teaching what those TULIP verses mean. He exposed the heresy of the man centered gospel. He discovered that election and predestination are biblically true and the TULIP table was compiled to commemorate Calvin's great victory over the false gospel and the Doctrine of Demons.

I could ask you why was the New Testament written many decades after Christ died. The reason is the same, people wrote about Calvin's teaching decades after He became famous for teaching the true gospel of the Bible. Those who hate God and His truth still hate Calvin for exposing them to this day

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The TULIP table was written 50 years later, but John is the one who became famous for teaching what those TULIP verses mean. He exposed the heresy of the man centered gospel. He discovered that election and predestination are biblically true and the TULIP table was compiled to commemorate Calvin's great victory over the false gospel and the Doctrine of Demons.

I could ask you why was the New Testament written many decades after Christ died. The reason is the same, people wrote about Calvin's teaching decades after He became famous for teaching the true gospel of the Bible. Those who hate God and His truth still hate Calvin for exposing them to this day

let's see some of theese signed doctrines of tulip by Calvin.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

We will all find out.

How can you serve a god that you don't even know if he loves you?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

That's your false interpretation.

It couldn't possibly be you're wrong.

Gods is also hate,

Bible doesn't say that. It says He is love. He is just, 100%, but he is not hate. No verse in the Bible that says God is hate.

He can't be love without being hate as well otherwise He's evil.

God is love, that is His character. Love is what motivates Him. But He is also a just judge. So when the day comes that people have refused to turn from their sin, He will allow them their choice.

you rubbish that and throw it back into Gods face and rebel against Him and accuse Him of lying.
God is not a liar as you say He is, you need to make up your mind if God lied when He said His will shall be done or was He lying.

Yeah nothing like that has been said, you're not getting a reaction.

I believe Him but you say nay God I caught you out. You said you wish that none perish but you can't have your way because your weak and unably to make your wishes come true. Your god is weak, he's a liar and not worthy of worship.
.

My friend I would be very, very careful with my words if I were you. You're about to heap curses on your head. You're mocking God's words and falsely accusing brothers/sisters in the Lord. I would reign in that tongue if I were you.

2 Peter 3:9 states, “The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”

My God is almighty and He never fails to make any of His wishes come true.

What if a person is mentally handicapped? Are they automatically part of the elite? If not, why not? If they are, why are they?

 

[MerSee]

How can you serve a god that you don't even know if he loves you?

Nobody can know if they are of the elect. We obey because we love God.

 

[PaulThomson]

All of that was translated by John Calvin's enemies. So it's not a reliable document. The enemies of the truth always falsify documents to discredit those who speak the truth.

And yet you blindly rely on modern Bible translations into English produced from source materials created by the spiritists Westcott and Hort, without any concern to compare those translations with the original language text preserved in the majority stream of original language manuscripts.