Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[Thunderrr-mental]

No argument there

lol. So you have to earn Gods love in your religion? Is that not contradictory?



Like I said, You do not know God at all.

 

[Charlie_2024]

You can count
Perfect love (one attribute)
Perfect justice (2nd attribute)
Omnipresent (3rd)
Omnipotent (4th) I can go on and on and on

Your God is a God of hate, he claims to be a God of love, But his actions prove otherwise


Yawn. This just porves your not listening


Again, My God does not need protected. My God will stand in perfect harmony with himself and the universe. Because even when he escorts the lost into outer darkness, He is justified and vindicated. because He loved them also.. No one can blame him.

Your god is not the God of the bible. You simply imagined a fictitious god in your mind and you try to describe him but noting about him is biblical. This is called idolatry, where someone worships a false god. It is punishable by eternal torment in the lake of fire

 

[Charlie_2024]

lol Charlie, a gold medal haha thank you

The roman catholics argue free will was combined with grace by Jean Calvin.

When you look at this jean Calvin never believed in free will 😊

Calvin believed God divinely sows a seed in all mankind, and one in maybe one hundred it will flourish


Reformed Doctrine of Predestination by Boettner, Loraine (1901-1990)

https://ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest/predest.vii.ii.html?queryID=35330708&resultID=111914

The reformed doctrine of jean Calvin by Roman catholics

Chapter XXVIII
Calvinism in History
1. Before the Reformation. 2. The Reformation. 3. Calvinism in England. 4. Calvinism in Scotland. 5. Calvinism in France. 6. Calvinism in Holland. 7. Calvinism in America. 8. Calvinism and Representative Government. 9. Calvinism and Education. 10. John Calvin. 11. Conclusion.
1. BEFORE THE REFORMATION
It may occasion some surprise to discover that the doctrine of Predestination was not made a matter of special study until near the end of the fourth century. The earlier church fathers placed chief emphasis on good works such as faith, repentance, almsgiving, prayers, submission to baptism, etc., as the basis of salvation. They of course taught that salvation was through Christ; yet they assumed that man had full power to accept or reject the gospel. Some of their writings contain passages in which the sovereignty of God is recognized; yet along side of those are others which teach the absolute freedom of the human will. Since they could not reconcile the two they would have denied the doctrine of Predestination and perhaps also that of God's absolute Foreknowledge. They taught a kind of synergism in which there was a co-operation between grace and free will.

You got that back to front, you contradict what Jesus said. If what you say is true and everyone gets a seed, why do the vast majority turn out to be poison seeds which take them to hell.

Jesus said very few go to heaven and the vast ,majority are going to hell. Please don't make Jesus out to be a liar, it quite offensive to me.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Not God of the Bible.

what is your qualification, who made you the abitur and judge of what the Bible teaches. Let me guess, you're another one of those 8 billion self proclaimed bible experts. Good luck with that

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

You got that back to front, you contradict what Jesus said. If what you say is true and everyone gets a seed, why do the vast majority turn out to be poison seeds which take them to hell.

Jesus said very few go to heaven and the vast ,majority are going to hell. Please don't make Jesus out to be a liar, it quite offensive to me.

You've been misled by false Calvinists Charlie

Jean Calvin taught everyman is divinely sown a seed of religion, and maybe 1 in a hundred may flourish.

The Roman Catholic reformed his doctrine.

The one your worshipping, is the reformed doctrine of predestination by Roman catholics

 

[Charlie_2024]

Yes I’ll be judged by the Lord Jesus Christ like you will , that’s why i learn what he taught and don’t heap up judgements for myself with accusations and slander and attacks against everyone lol

you should learn the things Jesus taught you obviously haven’t yet

Well from what I can see you view is unbiblical and it sounds more like Eastern Mysticism. You can't use man made Philosophy to discern Gods Word. God is a Spirit, so you can't use carnal means to understand spiritual things.

Your theology is not biblical at all, it's based on human emotions and feelings, which are at enmity with God. The only hope you have of ever understanding God Word, is if the Holy Spirit reveals it to you.

 

[Charlie_2024]

basically Charlie tulip doctrine reformed by Roman catholics to get one over on Calvinists 😊

So you believing Roman catholics.

Now i hand you a good medal,

God wrote the TULIP table, so you need to get your head around that fact before you can move on to other questions

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

God wrote the TULIP table, so you need to get your head around that fact before you can move on to other questions

no Roman catholics did Charlie .

 

[Charlie_2024]

No argument there

lol. So you have to earn Gods love in your religion? Is that not contradictory?



Like I said, You do not know God at all.

That's right, I don't know your god because it doesn't exist. There's only One true God and the god you describe is nothing like the One I read about in the Holy Bible. You have simply imagined a god in your mind and you run with it, you refuse to describe it so nobody even knows anything about it, except it unconditionally loves child rapists and murderers. While my God hates these abominations

 

[Charlie_2024]

You do know that no one spoke in English in Jesus surroundings?
They spoke Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
So they wrote the Bible in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
And the New Testament was written in Greek.
So before your precious English New Testament Bible, there first was the Greek New Testament.
And your English is literally a 3rd hand translation that has errors in it.

And to think, you're in here trying to act like you know something to everyone of us when you don't even know that your own English Bible is a 3rd hand translation.

Dude, you are a literal comedy act and not a very good one at that...

You can mock and blaspheme Gods Word as much as you like but remember God hates mockers and blasphemers.

You say God is not able to communicate with His people because they don't speak Greek, that's most wicked accusation of God inability I've ever heard. To accuse God of not having the ability to translate between languages is pure blasphemy.

I have news for you and it's all bad, my God knows all languages so your not going to get away with twisting His word and hiding behind pathetic excuses like "nobody is able to translate Greek into English', can you see how pathetic and downright insulting you are to Gods intelligence.

 

[Charlie_2024]

no Roman catholics did Charlie .

Do you even know what TULIP is?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Well from what I can see you view is unbiblical and it sounds more like Eastern Mysticism. You can't use man made Philosophy to discern Gods Word. God is a Spirit, so you can't use carnal means to understand spiritual things.

Your theology is not biblical at all, it's based on human emotions and feelings, which are at enmity with God. The only hope you have of ever understanding God Word, is if the Holy Spirit reveals it to you.

“Well from what I can see you view is unbiblical and it sounds more like Eastern Mysticism.”

…..believing the gospel and what Jesus said will save souls is “ eastern mysticism “

The Bible calls it Christianity I’ll go with that being that I’m a Christian 😂

 

[Charlie_2024]

“Well from what I can see you view is unbiblical and it sounds more like Eastern Mysticism.”

…..believing the gospel and what Jesus said will save souls is “ eastern mysticism “

The Bible calls it Christianity I’ll go with that being that I’m a Christian 😂

None of that is my bible, so we have entirely different Jesus's. The bible doesn't call it Christianity, you made that up by using eastern mysticism. Your believing the gospel is not what saves you, my bible teaches something very different from yours.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

None of that is my bible, so we have entirely different Jesus's. The bible doesn't call it Christianity, you made that up by using eastern mysticism. Your believing the gospel is not what saves you, my bible teaches something very different from yours.

Since you’re insisting on arguing and making accusations be specific either tell me what part you have an issue with , or buzz away . Relentless accusations and arguing aren’t among my interests here

What part do you disagree with ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

None of that is my bible, so we have entirely different Jesus's. The bible doesn't call it Christianity, you made that up by using eastern mysticism. You’re believing the gospel is not what saves you, my bible teaches something very different from yours.[/QUOTE/]



“You’re believing the gospel is not what saves you, my bible teaches something very different from yours.”

your Bible doesn’t say this ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you should get a new Bible then

 

[Pilgrimshope]

None of that is my bible, so we have entirely different Jesus's. The bible doesn't call it Christianity, you made that up by using eastern mysticism. Your believing the gospel is not what saves you, my bible teaches something very different from yours.

“my bible teaches something very different from yours.”

yours doesn’t say the same thing mine does ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you have some bizarre alternate Bible that doesn’t have the gospel on it ……I’m not interested in it in any way lol

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Do you even know what TULIP is?

^
Your doctrine!

 

[HeIsHere]

what is your qualification, who made you the abitur and judge of what the Bible teaches. Let me guess, you're another one of those 8 billion self proclaimed bible experts. Good luck with that

Not an expert and not even interested in being one but I do I do know two things, God knows me and I know Him.

And I know He is Love because He says so.

 

[Charlie_2024]

Since you’re insisting on arguing and making accusations be specific either tell me what part you have an issue with , or buzz away . Relentless accusations and arguing aren’t among my interests here

What part do you disagree with ?

Well your first unbiblical point was that believing the gospel would save souls. That's no where to be found in the bible, the Bible says that salvation is of the Lord, and that not of works lest any man boast. But you boast how your believing saves you, so you are saved by your belief and you don't receive salvation as a free gift apart from your works.

The word "Christianity" is not in the Bible, as it could mean anything. Hitler claimed to be a Christian

 

[Charlie_2024]

“my bible teaches something very different from yours.”

yours doesn’t say the same thing mine does ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you have some bizarre alternate Bible that doesn’t have the gospel on it ……I’m not interested in it in any way lol

You don't have the right to pluck bible verses out of their intended context and twist them to force them to say what you want them to. The Bible is not negotiable and nobody has the right to mess with it.

Why are you citing these verses, what are you saying they mean. If your pushing the Doctrine of Demons, which would interpret these verses to say that God is making an offer like trying to sell an old lemon used car, them your dead wrong.

God doesn't push the offer of eternal paradise like a, bad used car and 95% of people throw it back in His face. That's your false interpretation of those verses, which in my opinion is utterly blasphemous.

My Bible says that only Gods Elect Saints will believe, because we have been given the gift of faith onto salvation. So those verses are saying, preach to every creature because the gospel will condemn sinners and save the elect.

Only the elect of God believe, the rest are damned. God leaves them in the sin, condemned to hell.

Now you need to show me why God would lie about this, and make sure you use scripture and not your private mysticism.