Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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My God is completely different to yours. My God doesn't punish all sinners with the same level of torture. My God said in the Bible that He punishes and rewards everyone according to their deeds.
So the more one sins the harsher his punishment will be. God said hell has many levels, just as a prison has many levels depending on how evil the prisoner is. But everyone who is cast into hell is tormented for all eternity and there's no hope of and end or escape, but some will be eternally screaming at the top of their lugs while they tread white hot lava, while those on the highest level my just be suffering in ordinary fire flames.
Heaven also has many levels, God said everyone will be rewarded according to his works. Some will b at the main feast table while others will be eating the left over food scraps.
God doesn't just wink at sin as you wish He did. He would be just if He didn't punish and reward everyone according to their works. I'm sick of this false prosperity, name it and claim it gospel as it makes a mockery of the true gospel which has the stench of death to the natural man and it has a sweet smell to Gods elect.
So the more one sins the harsher his punishment will be. God said hell has many levels, just as a prison has many levels depending on how evil the prisoner is. But everyone who is cast into hell is tormented for all eternity and there's no hope of and end or escape, but some will be eternally screaming at the top of their lugs while they tread white hot lava, while those on the highest level my just be suffering in ordinary fire flames.
Heaven also has many levels, God said everyone will be rewarded according to his works. Some will b at the main feast table while others will be eating the left over food scraps.
God doesn't just wink at sin as you wish He did. He would be just if He didn't punish and reward everyone according to their works. I'm sick of this false prosperity, name it and claim it gospel as it makes a mockery of the true gospel which has the stench of death to the natural man and it has a sweet smell to Gods elect.
lol Charlie, a gold medal haha thank you
The roman catholics argue free will was combined with grace by Jean Calvin.
When you look at this jean Calvin never believed in free will 😊
Calvin believed God divinely sows a seed in all mankind, and one in maybe one hundred it will flourish
Reformed Doctrine of Predestination by Boettner, Loraine (1901-1990)
https://ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest/predest.vii.ii.html?queryID=35330708&resultID=111914
The reformed doctrine of jean Calvin by Roman catholics
Chapter XXVIII
Calvinism in History
1. Before the Reformation. 2. The Reformation. 3. Calvinism in England. 4. Calvinism in Scotland. 5. Calvinism in France. 6. Calvinism in Holland. 7. Calvinism in America. 8. Calvinism and Representative Government. 9. Calvinism and Education. 10. John Calvin. 11. Conclusion.
1. BEFORE THE REFORMATION
It may occasion some surprise to discover that the doctrine of Predestination was not made a matter of special study until near the end of the fourth century. The earlier church fathers placed chief emphasis on good works such as faith, repentance, almsgiving, prayers, submission to baptism, etc., as the basis of salvation. They of course taught that salvation was through Christ; yet they assumed that man had full power to accept or reject the gospel. Some of their writings contain passages in which the sovereignty of God is recognized; yet along side of those are others which teach the absolute freedom of the human will. Since they could not reconcile the two they would have denied the doctrine of Predestination and perhaps also that of God's absolute Foreknowledge. They taught a kind of synergism in which there was a co-operation between grace and free will.
The roman catholics argue free will was combined with grace by Jean Calvin.
When you look at this jean Calvin never believed in free will 😊
Calvin believed God divinely sows a seed in all mankind, and one in maybe one hundred it will flourish
Reformed Doctrine of Predestination by Boettner, Loraine (1901-1990)
https://ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest/predest.vii.ii.html?queryID=35330708&resultID=111914
The reformed doctrine of jean Calvin by Roman catholics
Chapter XXVIII
Calvinism in History
1. Before the Reformation. 2. The Reformation. 3. Calvinism in England. 4. Calvinism in Scotland. 5. Calvinism in France. 6. Calvinism in Holland. 7. Calvinism in America. 8. Calvinism and Representative Government. 9. Calvinism and Education. 10. John Calvin. 11. Conclusion.
1. BEFORE THE REFORMATION
It may occasion some surprise to discover that the doctrine of Predestination was not made a matter of special study until near the end of the fourth century. The earlier church fathers placed chief emphasis on good works such as faith, repentance, almsgiving, prayers, submission to baptism, etc., as the basis of salvation. They of course taught that salvation was through Christ; yet they assumed that man had full power to accept or reject the gospel. Some of their writings contain passages in which the sovereignty of God is recognized; yet along side of those are others which teach the absolute freedom of the human will. Since they could not reconcile the two they would have denied the doctrine of Predestination and perhaps also that of God's absolute Foreknowledge. They taught a kind of synergism in which there was a co-operation between grace and free will.
“For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.”
Romans 14:9 KJV
“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
1 Peter 4:6 KJV
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
He loves us all even death can’t stop it we dont always love him back is the issue
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53
Romans 14:9 KJV
“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
1 Peter 4:6 KJV
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
He loves us all even death can’t stop it we dont always love him back is the issue
“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53
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You do know that no one spoke in English in Jesus surroundings?
They spoke Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
So they wrote the Bible in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
And the New Testament was written in Greek.
So before your precious English New Testament Bible, there first was the Greek New Testament.
And your English is literally a 3rd hand translation that has errors in it.
And to think, you're in here trying to act like you know something to everyone of us when you don't even know that your own English Bible is a 3rd hand translation.
Dude, you are a literal comedy act and not a very good one at that...
They spoke Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
So they wrote the Bible in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
And the New Testament was written in Greek.
So before your precious English New Testament Bible, there first was the Greek New Testament.
And your English is literally a 3rd hand translation that has errors in it.
And to think, you're in here trying to act like you know something to everyone of us when you don't even know that your own English Bible is a 3rd hand translation.
Dude, you are a literal comedy act and not a very good one at that...
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