Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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God was always able to be sought after...men began to call upon the name of the Lord in Genesis 4:26.
Amen!
So to think if God made a way to be sought after then He isn't predestining people to Hell. Because someone predestined to Hell could never seek and find God. But God through ONE MAN made it so they could. And all generations of people come from that "one man/Adam (verse 26)."
I'm still not sure we agree, but I'll take the amen. I've never said God predestines anyone to hell. Men fit themselves for destruction.
No, God seeks the lost. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. And what part of the Parable of the Prodigal don't you get? God wasn't lost, the son was lost. God wasn't found, the son was found.
Jesus did not die for every human being born. Why can't you believe Jesus as you have often boasted that you do? Sheep and Goats comprise the human race. And Jesus said he laid down his life for [only] his sheep. He shed his blood only for "many", not all.
And by the way, God cannot die! God is pure spirit! Only the God-Man can die. Only God-incarnate can die. If you cannot get a simple, fundamental truth like this right; then how are you going to get anything else in scripture right?
But earlier you wrote:
"God was always able to be sought after...men began to call upon the name of the Lord in Genesis 4:26."
So...men have always been able...BUT...do not seek for him? I wonder where Rom 3:11 fits in?
If men are calling upon the name of the Lord I would think that God is both near and active.
Then that would explain how natural born enemies of God would have any desire at all to call upon his name. Every single one us comes into this world hating God, hating his Christ's and hating Christ's disciples. So what would compel any of God's enemies to call upon his name or seek him?
Luke 19:27
27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them — bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"
NIV
And,
Col 1:21-22
21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
NIV
And,
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were God's enemies , we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
NIV
So, the question that is begging for an answer is how do enemies of God become his friends in order to call upon him? Or..if not his "friends" per se...how do they still manage to remove their natural hatred for God from their own hearts in order to call upon him? And the problem becomes even more pernicious since the latter two passages do not have men reconciling themselves to God so that they can call out to him...rather it is God doing the reconciling. God is the one taking the initiative -- just like He did in the Garden after the Fall.
28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
those who love Him those God foreknew those who love Him those He predestined, He also called... according to His purpose
If I could create a legend for this post, the red those are who, and the green is the why, and the purple is the when, and the blue is that what...
Nobody loves Him unless they believe, actually believe, that He loves them. And the moment they do actually believe, the very moment they won't let go of that notion, even if it knocks out their hip, that is the moment they are actually set free.
those who love Him those God foreknew those who love Him those He predestined, He also called... according to His purpose
If I could create a legend for this post, the red those are who, and the green is the why, and the purple is the when, and the blue is that what...
Nobody loves Him unless they believe, actually believe, that He loves them. And the moment they do actually believe, the very moment they won't let go of that notion, even if it knocks out their hip, that is the moment they are actually set free.
I've answered. He is always near. He is not always active. Where God is active, men respond to Him as a result of His activity.
Pentecost is a good example. The Spirit of God went forth, a messenger spoke forth the word of God, and where hearing was evidenced and hearts were pricked, men responded in faith. Where that didn't occur, no faith was exercised.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness
of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is
plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world
God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being
understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:18-20
There was a thread asking the difference b/w praise and worship but I didn't want to disrupt the progress and flow of the newly generated discussion. But here, I'm not as concerned about that since the discussion is on its 251st page.'
I see praise as loving God, and
Worship as understanding that God love me.
I see praise as loving God, and
Worship as understanding that God love me.
All men know God exists. Here He is known from nature itself. But man also knows of the existence of God from his conscience, as God has placed eternity in his heart.
It's easy enough to demonstrate this from anthropology. Every people group has some form of religion in its culture.