Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

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Will the nonelect ever be born-again?

  • The nonelect can be born-again.

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ThereRoseaLamb

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God loved THE WORLD.

Keep thinking you are special.. One day you will find out how much of a lie you feel for

“That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.” – 1 Timothy 4:10

“But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! – Romans 5:15


Two solid verses that cannot be denied. But someone will try.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Let me guess. the context is the same because you say so. Well I hate to disappoint you, but nobody gave you the authority to dictate the meaning of Gods Word. You can't apply your unqualified narrative to the context of the word.
No one gave you the authority either my friend.

But God will hold you accountable because you have followed men and have not studied to show yourself approved.
 

Cameron143

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I really am not playing cat and mouse here. The verses are your answer. I'm not the author. My answer is still going to be the verses, What to they say?
You actually are. It's a simple question. In your own words, as you understand scripture, do you believe the Bible teaches that we are saved by grace but must maintain our own salvation?
 

Everlasting-Grace

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“That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.” – 1 Timothy 4:10

“But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! – Romans 5:15

Two solid verses that cannot be denied. But someone will try.
Thats because they listen to men. and doctrine, and are not listening to the word.

They are right where satan wants them to be.
 
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lol,

Your pride is deep man.

Like I said, you could not sell me anything.

Your God is a God of hate, You said it yourself. God hated a fetus and sent him to hell
Liar, I never said any such thing. You're false accuser. I believe in a different God to you, my God has many attributes. Your god is a god of love, to me that kind of god is pure evil. How can anyone be so deceived to believe that God only has one attribute.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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You actually are. It's a simple question. In your own words, as you understand scripture, do you believe the Bible teaches that we are saved by grace but must maintain our own salvation?

I believe what the Word says. I'm really tired of laying down plain Scripture and being told it doesn't say what it says. I believe the verses speak for themselves, and that is why they are my answer. The verses say what they say. So why should our understanding be different?
 

Cameron143

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God put his spiritual life into Adam the earthly man with his breath.

Genesis 1.27-28. Jesus created Adam in heaven with his life.

Genesis 2.7 Jesus transported Adam in spirit from heaven to earth and.put him in heavenly earthly body with his breath.

Heavenly earthly body vessel for the spirit.

Heaven is in earth to.

Gods will

may my will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Adam was created from the dust of the ground. I don't believe there is dust in heaven.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Nothing wrong with what you have written. But it's meaningless to the natural man. God's word, for that matter, or anything spiritual is of no interest to him.
It is not that God hasn't laid out a welcome mat or sent invitations; rather, man simply lacks understanding of his ill estate and lacks the desire to change it.
“It is not that God hasn't laid out a welcome mat or sent invitations;”

an invitation singular yes it’s sent to every creature not some but all are invited and the outcome is final and covered every creature of God

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.( that’s the invite )

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And those are the two outcomes

Read this parable now to see how it became sent to all because the chosen ones rejected the invite they were invited they chose not to attend


“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:2-9‬ ‭

There’s just one group of lost humans condemned to death those who respond to Jesus and the gospel are going to be saved from that group of condemned humans for a new world without sin

until we come to a point of making a choice we may be convinced we can’t
Choose God certainly is t telling man they can’t choose the good though he’s telling the to choose the good and live .

Some refuse it as you see on the parable and thier refuswl ends up destroying them even though they were among the first to receive invitations

“sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them”

But they refused to attend the wedding like many still do and it wasn’t that they weren’t invited or they were made impossible that they could attend they chose the world thier lives on the e world over the kingdom invite and notice they don’t end up on the kingdom they end up destroyed and others are invited or Bidden to the marriage

We’re being called brother beckoned home but we do have to respond because it’s getting dark and supper is on the table daddy’s calling forbus from the porch hollering supper time !!

“And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.”( that’s a reference to the gospel of the kingdom )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s definately an invite but some won’t hear it or some don’t accept it’s for them just like in life if we receive an email bc it’s to a wedding and choose not to attend …..the grooms daddy is t going to come hogtie us and drag us to the wedding he sent our invite out and made us welcome and cherished guests

another hostages against oir will but those who want to attend the wedding and celebrate the lambs marriage
 
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No one gave you the authority either my friend.

But God will hold you accountable because you have followed men and have not studied to show yourself approved.
you have disobeyed God, and turned your back on Him at your own peril. He sent prophets but you hate them and reject them and believe in yourself. Good luck on judgement day
 

Pilgrimshope

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Nothing wrong with what you have written. But it's meaningless to the natural man. God's word, for that matter, or anything spiritual is of no interest to him.
It is not that God hasn't laid out a welcome mat or sent invitations; rather, man simply lacks understanding of his ill estate and lacks the desire to change it.
Lol that first quote isn’t mine I was going to respond to an accusation from another but decided why bother …
 

Pilgrimshope

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you have disobeyed God, and turned your back on Him at your own peril. He sent prophets but you hate them and reject them and believe in yourself. Good luck on judgement day
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Your speaking your own judgements
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Liar, I never said any such thing. You're false accuser. I believe in a different God to you, my God has many attributes. Your god is a god of love, to me that kind of god is pure evil. How can anyone be so deceived to believe that God only has one attribute.
lol.

So yu argued that Hate means hate,

But now I am a liar because I accused you of saying that.

lol what a joke man..
 

Cameron143

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I believe what the Word says. I'm really tired of laying down plain Scripture and being told it doesn't say what it says. I believe the verses speak for themselves, and that is why they are my answer. The verses say what they say. So why should our understanding be different?
We are all basing our understanding on scripture. I even asked what you believe the scripture is teaching. If I was unsaved and asked you to explain the scripture in your own words, would you continue giving me scripture or use your own words? I doubt it. You would share your understanding in your own words.
I honestly don't know what you believe about maintaining one's salvation and who it is that does it.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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you have disobeyed God, and turned your back on Him at your own peril. He sent prophets but you hate them and reject them and believe in yourself. Good luck on judgement day
Nah,

I have not disobeyed God.

I see God for who he is and what he claims to be. Not a God of Hate.

You worship your God of hate.

I will worship A god who loved his creation and offers them rest.

Come to me you who are weary and heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Thats the good news my friend.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Your god is a god of love, to me that kind of god is pure evil.
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord, repent and live!” – Ezekiel 18:31

LOVE!!

Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.


LOVE!!

Luke 15:1-32
Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.” So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. ...



LOVE!!

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


LOVE!!


1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.


LOVE!!



Romans 5:10
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.


LOVE!!



1 John 4:8
Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love!!!
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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We are all basing our understanding on scripture. I even asked what you believe the scripture is teaching. If I was unsaved and asked you to explain the scripture in your own words, would you continue giving me scripture or use your own words? I doubt it. You would share your understanding in your own words.
I honestly don't know what you believe about maintaining one's salvation and who it is that does it.
Can we put a pin? I have my great nephew here visiting for one day. This morning they have to head home. I haven't gotten near enough pictures yet.
 

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You seem to have a problem with grasping simple English. I'm not interested in Greeks, in fact my dad aways says not to trust Greeks baring gifts.

You obviously trust in a false bible interpretation, I don't trust Greeks so I study the English Bible. As I said there are 40,000 different interpretations, your interpretation is buried deep among those 40,000 false interpretations. So I don't even consider your view as being biblically valid.

You don't even understand Greek but you have placed your faith in the Greeks rather than God.
You definitely are some kind of "special" aren't you?
What Language do you think the New Testament was written in by the Disciples, Paul, brothers of Jesus?
GREEK!
And you don't trust it.
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: