Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

Who said anything about going against your desires? Once God saves a person, He gives them the desires of their heart. God literally replaces our once sinful and selfish desires with those that are holy and God-centered...Psalm 37:4.

He wants to replace those things if you let him. Paul said he crucified his flesh daily. Had not Paul crucified his flesh daily there would be no changes occurring.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Right. He was equipped for a task. He was set apart for service. He was even attended by and experienced spiritual reality to authenticate that this was so.
Not one mention of salvation.

I quoted Paul. And we know when the Holy Spirit is poured out over you in the Book of Acts they were saved.
But in Saul's day, he only had to follow the Law and offer sacrifice. He did that.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

God simply appointed Saul as King over his people. And why did he do this? Because the people looked upon the gentile nations who had a king and complained because the thought they needed one as well. This anointing had nothing to do with salvation!
Saul was never referred to as "The man after God's own heart"!

I know why they did it. God did not need to anoint Saul but He did. And the Old Testament is a foreshadow of the New Testament. Something many in this thread clearly have no understanding about.

 

[Cameron143]

He wants to replace those things if you let him. Paul said he crucified his flesh daily. Had not Paul crucified his flesh daily there would be no changes occurring.

Then what is Philippians 2:13 all about? That sounds like God, independently of the believer, bringing to pass His good pleasure.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I know of no Reformed author that believes such a thing. Do you? If so, who? And can you quote him?

You must only spend time in this thread then.

 

[Cameron143]

I quoted Paul. And we know when the Holy Spirit is poured out over you in the Book of Acts they were saved.
But in Saul's day, he only had to follow the Law and offer sacrifice. He did that.

Nope. Salvation has always been by grace through faith. The Holy Spirit has been around since the beginning...Genesis 1:2. The law was never able to justify anyone.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

But 1Jn 3:7-10 does.

P.S. I'm still waiting for an answer to my question in 4660 pertaining to your claim that God is a murderer if he predestines non-elect sinners to hell. This is my 3rd time following up with you.

Think on terms of Genesis 6 and that representation of persistent sin.

“And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

God destroyed those who were persistent in SIN and were not planning to change.
Think about Sodom.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Then what is Philippians 2:13 all about? That sounds like God, independently of the believer, bringing to pass His good pleasure.

I see you have "conveniently" skipped 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

That is saying what I have been saying.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Nope. Salvation has always been by grace through faith. The Holy Spirit has been around since the beginning...Genesis 1:2. The law was never able to justify anyone.

Anyone who followed the Law and obeyed were saved once Jesus died.
Saul did these things but eventually he rebelled is the point.

 

[Cameron143]

I see you have "conveniently" skipped 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

That is saying what I have been saying.

Nope. I was just showing you that God acts independently of men. Men are always to respond to what God is doing. It doesn't say for men to act independently of God, but in response to how He is changing them. That is God doing inwardly in a person without permission from the person. He doesn't ask to come in this way; He merely declares it. This is reminiscent of creation. God sovereignly acts in accordance with His purpose and none can alter this...Daniel 4:35.

 

[Rufus]

I quoted Paul. And we know when the Holy Spirit is poured out over you in the Book of Acts they were saved.
But in Saul's day, he only had to follow the Law and offer sacrifice. He did that.

So, that's all Saul, or anyone else under the Old Covenant, had to do was: "Follow the Law and offer sacrifice", and they were good to go?

 

[Cameron143]

Anyone who followed the Law and obeyed were saved once Jesus died.
Saul did these things but eventually he rebelled is the point.

This is blatantly false. By works of the law no flesh has ever been justified...Galatians 2:16.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Nope. I was just showing you that God acts independently of men. Men are always to respond to what God is doing. It doesn't say for men to act independently of God, but in response to how He is changing them. That is God doing inwardly in a person without permission from the person. He doesn't ask to come in this way; He merely declares it. This is reminiscent of creation. God sovereignly acts in accordance with His purpose and none can alter this...Daniel 4:35.

Paul is showing you that verse 13 works with verse 12 that you keep ignoring.

 

[Rufus]

I see you have "conveniently" skipped 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

That is saying what I have been saying.

When did context start to mean anything to you?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

This is blatantly false. By works of the law no flesh has ever been justified...Galatians 2:16.

So Moses is not saved because Jesus died and the Old Testament saints are not saved because Jesus died for them after they were followers of the Law?

 

[Cameron143]

Paul is showing you that verse 13 works with verse 12 that you keep ignoring.

I told you how they related. God works sovereignly in us, and we respond. Did you ask God to do this or did He just do it?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

So, that's all Saul, or anyone else under the Old Covenant, had to do was: "Follow the Law and offer sacrifice", and they were good to go?

Is Moses, Joshua, the Prophets saved now? They followed the Law and when Jesus died brought their salvation.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

When did context start to mean anything to you?

because my doctrine is not based on cherry picking verses like the Reformed. I have always answered according to verses before and after.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I told you how they related. God works sovereignly in us, and we respond. Did you ask God to do this or did He just do it?

Once you verse 12 is fulfilled verse 13 is done. You are cherry picking again.

 

[BillyBob]

He wants to replace those things if you let him. Paul said he crucified his flesh daily. Had not Paul crucified his flesh daily there would be no changes occurring.

Do you mean - Had not the Spirit continued to sanctify Paul daily?
Funny how one day you accuse Paul of expressing his own opinion, the next day what he says is the gospel! Make up your mind...