I, too, believe we should keep short accounts with God. I am curious why you believe someone can be saved then reject God. How do you deal with Romans 8 where it says nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus?
Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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God, through Samuel, anointed Saul as king and in the end Saul rejected God.
David wouldn't touch Saul because of God's anointing over Saul.
Multiple examples of People living for God and rejecting Him later on.
Being annointed king doesn't make one saved. Experiencing spiritual realities doesn't save a person. But that notwithstanding, Romans 8 states that nothing can separate someone in Christ from God's love. Those you claim fall away would be separated from the love of God, right?
No it doesn't. Salvation has always been by grace through faith. Saul wasn't given an alternative way. He was anointed king, not saved.
And you still haven't dealt with Romans 8.
You clearly have no idea of Gods process to be anointed by the Priest of God.
I think I do. I think you might not understand how God works salvation.
Still no response on Romans 8?
The Priests of God were anointed with the holy anointing oil, which represented the scent of the Lord. Being thus anointed, the priests were a type of representation of the Lord.
When that Priest anointed another human they consecrated or made sacred; dedicated to God, often in a ceremony that includes dabbing or sprinkling with holy oil:
Anointing someone with oil signifies that they have been chosen by God and are unique to him. It is also a way of signifying that the Holy Spirit has empowered them for their specific role or purpose.
The anointing—the oil of Scripture—is directly related to the Holy Spirit's work in our life (2 Cor. 1:21-22).
This was done to Saul, symbolizes he was "SAVED" and he later rejected God.
When that Priest anointed another human they consecrated or made sacred; dedicated to God, often in a ceremony that includes dabbing or sprinkling with holy oil:
Anointing someone with oil signifies that they have been chosen by God and are unique to him. It is also a way of signifying that the Holy Spirit has empowered them for their specific role or purpose.
The anointing—the oil of Scripture—is directly related to the Holy Spirit's work in our life (2 Cor. 1:21-22).
This was done to Saul, symbolizes he was "SAVED" and he later rejected God.
Anointing with oil was a sign, in the case of Saul, that he was set apart for the office of king. He was consecrated or set apart, but it didn't save him. Many things were consecrated with oil other than people. It just meant they were set apart for use by God. You are conflating consecration with salvation.
Wasn't my assertion. My question was, if nothing can separate someone in Christ from the love of God, how can someone in Christ fall away?
Most things anointed did the work of God. I doubt God allowed those who reject Him into His Sanctuary. We just need to agree to disagree because I speak with 4500 years of Hebraic history and your view is to disagree.
If God allows rejection of Him, there's no reason to believe He goes against the desires of those wanting to reject Him.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
Doing the work of God and being saved are 2 different things. God didn't choose Saul; the people did. God chose David. He anointed them both to fill the office of king.
And when people do not perform their functions as God prescribes, God removes them. Just look at your history. It was God who removed Saul.
And I like how you always play the Jew card. Last I checked, they still haven't identified Messiah, and have a long history of getting things wrong. There is no where you can cite where God equates consecration with salvation, not withstanding that you doubt it.
I never said people couldn't reject God. My contention is that those in Christ cannot and will not because it's not possible. Those who do fall away must, of necessity, never have been in Christ.
David also did not kill Saul because Saul was anointed, which is more than just being a simple king.
I would believe this myself. But not every human is equal in terms of what our limits are. I might be able to experience the loss of everything where another could not. I might look at it like Job did where another might curse God and reject Him. It's a dangerous thing to judge someone else by how you can handle things.
He didn't kill him because it would have been sinful. Anointed doesn't mean saved no matter how many ways you try.