Is there a difference between the new and old covenant?
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Right the animals corresponded to the law that have the knowledge of sins so when they sacrificed constently ot easnt for remission but a constant reminder that they weren’t clean
“But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
Hebrews 10:3-4 KJV
that concept you understand about how the animal sacrifices were an insufficient pattern beforehand and weren’t actually the sacrifices of God
all you need to do is apply that to the whole covenant and you’ll understand The two covenants correctly it’s not just the sacrifice it is the mediator , the priesthood , the word of law itself , the people the covenant is made with , the blood that was shed according to the mediators words , the promises ect
The whole covenant is just like you understand the sacrifices of animals it’s same when you look at the words spoken by the mediator moses words were only a pattern the commands Moses was give. Only a pattern pointing to the real words of God coming with Jesus later
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, ( he’s talking to Moses ) and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 KJV
Jesus is that person who would speak the words required by God of every soul
not Moses words given to him on Sinai Jesus words given to him in heaven
“He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:31-36 KJV
you can’t find that in the Ten Commandments
“But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
Hebrews 10:3-4 KJV
that concept you understand about how the animal sacrifices were an insufficient pattern beforehand and weren’t actually the sacrifices of God
all you need to do is apply that to the whole covenant and you’ll understand The two covenants correctly it’s not just the sacrifice it is the mediator , the priesthood , the word of law itself , the people the covenant is made with , the blood that was shed according to the mediators words , the promises ect
The whole covenant is just like you understand the sacrifices of animals it’s same when you look at the words spoken by the mediator moses words were only a pattern the commands Moses was give. Only a pattern pointing to the real words of God coming with Jesus later
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, ( he’s talking to Moses ) and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 KJV
Jesus is that person who would speak the words required by God of every soul
not Moses words given to him on Sinai Jesus words given to him in heaven
“He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:31-36 KJV
you can’t find that in the Ten Commandments
No, I want you to support your claim: "The point I was making that no one seemed to pick up on, that it does not say Christ was under the law of Moses. It just says “law” The law of God- the Ten Commandments- is not the same as the law of Moses according to God’s own Words"
You claim that the Law of God is not the Law of Moses. You have not established that the Law of God is only the ten commandments. So... support your claim without reference to the ten commandments.
You claim that the Law of God is not the Law of Moses. You have not established that the Law of God is only the ten commandments. So... support your claim without reference to the ten commandments.
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This will probably be my last post for a while.
I never once said the Ten Commandments is “the only law of God”. Nor did I say Moses was without the Ten Commandments. They are separate and distinct laws that serves different purposes according to scriptures.
The Ten Commandments is a standalone unit and separate from the law of Moses. God of course gave the Ten Commandments to Moses and all of Israel but they did not start at Mt Sinai - they were already keeping God’s commandment prior to God writing them at Mt Sinai.
These is what consist of God’s covenant. He also calls the Ten Commandments “My commandments”. Exo 20:6 it is never referenced as the law of Moses.
Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Only the Ten Commanemnts were personally written by God. Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark of the convent Exo 40:20 all other laws were handwritten by Moses in a book placed on the outside of the ark Deut 31:26. They are two different laws that serves different purposes- scripture reveals this, sadly many aren’t interested. If we do not have a good understanding on these two sets of law, their purpose, it will make understanding the NT almost impossible as many times Paul just references “law” in his writings and the context and understating these district different laws will help us understand the meaning of his writing, which he never contradicts Jesus, so any teaching that say we do not have to keep God’s holy and eternal law, which is a contradiction of Jesus will only lead one down the wrong pat Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14
Anyway, there is no point in continuing, no one is reading, too may accusations, so I will leave it as agree to disagree and wish you all well in seeking Truth to God’s Word. Jesus is coming soon and I pray we are all ready. Take care all and God bless.
I never once said the Ten Commandments is “the only law of God”. Nor did I say Moses was without the Ten Commandments. They are separate and distinct laws that serves different purposes according to scriptures.
The Ten Commandments is a standalone unit and separate from the law of Moses. God of course gave the Ten Commandments to Moses and all of Israel but they did not start at Mt Sinai - they were already keeping God’s commandment prior to God writing them at Mt Sinai.
These is what consist of God’s covenant. He also calls the Ten Commandments “My commandments”. Exo 20:6 it is never referenced as the law of Moses.
Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Only the Ten Commanemnts were personally written by God. Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark of the convent Exo 40:20 all other laws were handwritten by Moses in a book placed on the outside of the ark Deut 31:26. They are two different laws that serves different purposes- scripture reveals this, sadly many aren’t interested. If we do not have a good understanding on these two sets of law, their purpose, it will make understanding the NT almost impossible as many times Paul just references “law” in his writings and the context and understating these district different laws will help us understand the meaning of his writing, which he never contradicts Jesus, so any teaching that say we do not have to keep God’s holy and eternal law, which is a contradiction of Jesus will only lead one down the wrong pat Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14
Anyway, there is no point in continuing, no one is reading, too may accusations, so I will leave it as agree to disagree and wish you all well in seeking Truth to God’s Word. Jesus is coming soon and I pray we are all ready. Take care all and God bless.
Why do you think they were seperwte from everything else Moses wrote down in the book of the law ?
this is a foundational statement a ten commandment
For instance “ thou shalt not kill “ if you search through the law you’ll find a bunch of ordinances and civil o at ructions based solely on the commandment concerning murder and violence ect
airs the same with each commandment “ ll the things Moses wrote regarding “ idolatry “ that’s all part of the commandment of having no other gods before him
the commandments are the foundation that the law is built upon
jesus birth life ministry suffering death resurrection and ascention to heavens throne sending his spirit to believers is the foundation of the gospel
You of course onow that God came down upon sinia and spoke the Ten Commandments I’m sure . Did you know that when he did that the people were terrified begged that he would stop speaking to them and only speak to Moses ? Then Moses was to return to them and tell them what God said ?
It’s not like now god isn’t in charge of Moses he’s still the one telling Moses what to write in the law it’s just that it’s all based upon the Ten Commandments like building a house you have to lay a good foundation and then you start adding the rest of the house and fine details tbat touch on all the ambiguous things
“thou shalt not kill “ isn’t all God said in the law regarding violence accidental killings murders plotting to kill ect there are details those came fromGod also its a whole it’s singular it’s one book the commandments were written in Moses book as the foundation of everything else he was told to write down for their covenant
air we remove the Ten Commandments from Moses law it’s nonsense and completely arbitrary wothoit a foundation for any of the many things he said about the commandments
It’s the same as if we tried tomoresch the gospel but went ahead and left out Jesus being born and everything he said and him dying for our sins and being raised up again
Like the commandments in the ot of you remove that from the gospel nothing anyone is saying would make any sense or have any foundation
The commandments are what Moses law stands upon they are essential to each other because they are one
the things moses said are part of the law it’s foundation is what God gave to Moses regarding the commandments
they aren’t seperate at all they can’t exist without the other like the gospel can’t exist without Christ
this is a foundational statement a ten commandment
For instance “ thou shalt not kill “ if you search through the law you’ll find a bunch of ordinances and civil o at ructions based solely on the commandment concerning murder and violence ect
airs the same with each commandment “ ll the things Moses wrote regarding “ idolatry “ that’s all part of the commandment of having no other gods before him
the commandments are the foundation that the law is built upon
jesus birth life ministry suffering death resurrection and ascention to heavens throne sending his spirit to believers is the foundation of the gospel
You of course onow that God came down upon sinia and spoke the Ten Commandments I’m sure . Did you know that when he did that the people were terrified begged that he would stop speaking to them and only speak to Moses ? Then Moses was to return to them and tell them what God said ?
It’s not like now god isn’t in charge of Moses he’s still the one telling Moses what to write in the law it’s just that it’s all based upon the Ten Commandments like building a house you have to lay a good foundation and then you start adding the rest of the house and fine details tbat touch on all the ambiguous things
“thou shalt not kill “ isn’t all God said in the law regarding violence accidental killings murders plotting to kill ect there are details those came fromGod also its a whole it’s singular it’s one book the commandments were written in Moses book as the foundation of everything else he was told to write down for their covenant
air we remove the Ten Commandments from Moses law it’s nonsense and completely arbitrary wothoit a foundation for any of the many things he said about the commandments
It’s the same as if we tried tomoresch the gospel but went ahead and left out Jesus being born and everything he said and him dying for our sins and being raised up again
Like the commandments in the ot of you remove that from the gospel nothing anyone is saying would make any sense or have any foundation
The commandments are what Moses law stands upon they are essential to each other because they are one
the things moses said are part of the law it’s foundation is what God gave to Moses regarding the commandments
they aren’t seperate at all they can’t exist without the other like the gospel can’t exist without Christ
It is written in john 1;
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. that refers to JESUS
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Jhn 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
then;
Jhn 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
How could Jesus be under the law of Moses, it is him Jesus, the son of GOD that gave the 10 commandments and The law to Moses!
GOD, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one!
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. that refers to JESUS
Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jhn 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Jhn 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
then;
Jhn 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
How could Jesus be under the law of Moses, it is him Jesus, the son of GOD that gave the 10 commandments and The law to Moses!
GOD, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one!
We are free, we are delivered, are no longer under the curse, because Jesus paid it all.
Do we make void the law through grace?
No we keep it.
Not to gain salvation but because it is holy and Spiritual.
In each of the quotes you gave, you need to understand that it is the penalty of the law that we are no longer under.
If Jesus pays for our sin does that make sin okay?
Jesus go and sin no more..
The law defines sin.. if your not sinning you are not under the penalty of the law..
Do you think the moral law is still convicting us of sin? Do you feel guilty when you steal, murder, lie, covet, take God's name in vain.
No law = no sin = no need for forgiveness = no need for grace.
Do we make void the law through grace?
No we keep it.
Not to gain salvation but because it is holy and Spiritual.
In each of the quotes you gave, you need to understand that it is the penalty of the law that we are no longer under.
If Jesus pays for our sin does that make sin okay?
Jesus go and sin no more..
The law defines sin.. if your not sinning you are not under the penalty of the law..
Do you think the moral law is still convicting us of sin? Do you feel guilty when you steal, murder, lie, covet, take God's name in vain.
No law = no sin = no need for forgiveness = no need for grace.
Paul wrote this many years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. To both Jews and Gentiles.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:12-13
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:15-17
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Servants of sin or servants of righteousness... we have a choice.
What defines sin and righteousness?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:12-13
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:15-17
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Servants of sin or servants of righteousness... we have a choice.
What defines sin and righteousness?
