Did Jesus Have an Advantage over Pre-Fall Adam During the Incarnation?
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I'm not comparing the Deity of Christ, it goes without saying if Christ relied on His own Deity while on Earth He would most definitely have the advantage (to put it mildly 
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Jesus had to function as a man only in order to qualify for the Cross. He couldn't have something inherent that Adam didn't have as a man but in spite of that, did He have an advantage?
) as God cannot be tempted. Jesus had to function as a man only in order to qualify for the Cross. He couldn't have something inherent that Adam didn't have as a man but in spite of that, did He have an advantage?
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I'm not comparing the Deity of Christ, it goes without saying if Christ relied on His own Deity while on Earth He would most definitely have the advantage (to put it mildly ) as God cannot be tempted.
Jesus had to function as a man only in order to qualify for the Cross. He couldn't have something inherent that Adam didn't have as a man but in spite of that, did He have an advantage?
) as God cannot be tempted.Jesus had to function as a man only in order to qualify for the Cross. He couldn't have something inherent that Adam didn't have as a man but in spite of that, did He have an advantage?
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The Bible is quite clear that Jesus did have a huge advantage over Adam before he fell. Jesus was fully man and fully God at the same time, so He could use His divine powers when He needed to perform miracles. But then He could also act in His capacity as a man to feel pain and sorrow etc.
It's extremely hard for us to get our head around, the fact the He had two natures coexisting at the same time. It's even harder to grasp the Holy Trinity where three distinct Persons make the One Godhead and all three are equally God.
It's extremely hard for us to get our head around, the fact the He had two natures coexisting at the same time. It's even harder to grasp the Holy Trinity where three distinct Persons make the One Godhead and all three are equally God.
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There is also nothing about not having friendly chats but that doesn't mean the relationship was strictly business. Luke does refer to Adam as a son of God and the writer of Hebrews reminds us that God treats His children with love. Considering all scripture is God breathed, I doubt the words used are coincidental.
As to face to face, the fact that "walking" is referenced is odd if Adam's relationship was purely in the form of a disembodied voice. It is not without precedent that the Lord literally walked with Adam in the Garden and spoke face to face when we consider the story of Abraham leading up to the Sodom incident. Gen.18
As to face to face, the fact that "walking" is referenced is odd if Adam's relationship was purely in the form of a disembodied voice. It is not without precedent that the Lord literally walked with Adam in the Garden and spoke face to face when we consider the story of Abraham leading up to the Sodom incident. Gen.18
Could He?
John 5:19
Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
I would argue it was the Holy Spirit working through Christ which is why Jesus would say we will do greater things as we rely on the power of the Spirit just as He did.
John 14:12
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.
John 5:19
Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
I would argue it was the Holy Spirit working through Christ which is why Jesus would say we will do greater things as we rely on the power of the Spirit just as He did.
John 14:12
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.
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No, he had the advantage He had the Holy Spirit
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Nah, those verses don't apply here. The fact is Jesus is the Lord God Jehovah, who created all things which exist. So that kind of makes Him God and as such He has all power over His creation, this would include the elements if you believe that God is almighty.
So for Jesus to perform miracles was child's play for Him. He mentions His Father in he context that He is doing everything according to His Fathers will. That suggests that some things He had to suffer as a man and other things He done as God Almighty.
For example, He couldn't use His divinity to numb the pain He felt on the cross, as that would void paying the penalty for sin in full and providing the atonement
So for Jesus to perform miracles was child's play for Him. He mentions His Father in he context that He is doing everything according to His Fathers will. That suggests that some things He had to suffer as a man and other things He done as God Almighty.
For example, He couldn't use His divinity to numb the pain He felt on the cross, as that would void paying the penalty for sin in full and providing the atonement
Huh??
Of course they apply. My question in the OP was regarding the Incarnation which is the period of Christ on Earth, roughly a 30 year period. Why do you think Satan tempted Jesus to use His divine powers? Satan knew Jesus as the Son of God, knew that if he could get Jesus to act as God then He would be disqualified as living as a man. The sin of a man got us into this mess, the righteousness of a man had to get us out.
Of course they apply. My question in the OP was regarding the Incarnation which is the period of Christ on Earth, roughly a 30 year period. Why do you think Satan tempted Jesus to use His divine powers? Satan knew Jesus as the Son of God, knew that if he could get Jesus to act as God then He would be disqualified as living as a man. The sin of a man got us into this mess, the righteousness of a man had to get us out.
Nah, not at all. That's another incoherent exposition of scripture. Satan offered the whole world to Jesus because Satan is the Prince of this world to this day. Satan's mission was to get the Lord to bow down to Satan and worship Him. Asking Him to turn the stones to bread was just a lead into His main goal of getting the Lord to blaspheme.
The Lord had to use His divinity to resist the temptation of Satan, because every single person who has ever lived to this day has not been able to resist becoming enslaved to Satan, so everyone remains under His control unless God saves them from His power and takes them to be His salves instead.
The Lord had to use His divinity to resist the temptation of Satan, because every single person who has ever lived to this day has not been able to resist becoming enslaved to Satan, so everyone remains under His control unless God saves them from His power and takes them to be His salves instead.
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There's a bit of a technicality.
The two men's actions are limited to their posterity, viz: were we not Adam's
paternal descendants, the consequences of his actions would have no effect
upon us.
The same goes for Christ. The Bible portrays him as a second Adam, so to
speak. So then as all in Adam are reckoned guilty and therefore destined to
die, so all in Christ are reckoned innocent and therefore destined to be
immortal.
Now this is very curious because Isaiah predicted Christ would die leaving
behind no posterity, yet the same prophet also predicted the very opposite.
"And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of
the living; (Isa 53:8)
"He will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of Yahweh will
prosper in his hand." (Isa 53:10, cf. Heb 2:13-14)
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There's a bit of a technicality.
The two men's actions are limited to their posterity, viz: were we not Adam's
paternal descendants, the consequences of his actions would have no effect
upon us.
The same goes for Christ. The Bible portrays him as a second Adam, so to
speak. So then as all in Adam are reckoned guilty and therefore destined to
die, so all in Christ are reckoned innocent and therefore destined to be
immortal.
Now this is very curious because Isaiah predicted Christ would die leaving
behind no posterity, yet the same prophet also predicted the very opposite.
"And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of
the living; (Isa 53:8)
"He will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of Yahweh will
prosper in his hand." (Isa 53:10, cf. Heb 2:13-14)
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Acting as God was not the issue. satan was trying to deceive Christ by tricking him into doing something satan claimed was ok but wasn't like how he twisted scripture to make it seem like Jesus could jump off a cliff and be saved by angels. Christ knew that was not what the scripture spoke about plus if he jumped and wasn't saved, he likely would die and not fulfill the prophecies like the Cross.