Predestination is misunderstood...
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Genesis 22:7-8
Isaac spoke to his father Abraham and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” Abraham said, “God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.”
Not sure if the Hebrews verses 11:17-19 is correct.
Abraham believed that God would provide an alternate sacrifice, in other words, Jesus Christ.
Rather than believing God would resurrect Isaac.
Probably the most powerful messianic prophecy in all the scripture (Genesis 22).
Isaac spoke to his father Abraham and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” Abraham said, “God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.”
Not sure if the Hebrews verses 11:17-19 is correct.
Abraham believed that God would provide an alternate sacrifice, in other words, Jesus Christ.
Rather than believing God would resurrect Isaac.
Probably the most powerful messianic prophecy in all the scripture (Genesis 22).
Read Gen 22:8 in KJV ... much more impactful: And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Isaac's faith is also revealed in his allowing himself to be bound. He carried the wood (Gen 22:6) so he was strong ... and yet he submitted to his father (who was well over 100 yrs old), allowed Abraham to bind him and place him on the altar.
... and for the record, I'm not a KJV only ... it's just that I started out with KJV a long time ago ...
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Isaac's faith is also revealed in his allowing himself to be bound. He carried the wood (Gen 22:6) so he was strong ... and yet he submitted to his father (who was well over 100 yrs old), allowed Abraham to bind him and place him on the altar.
... and for the record, I'm not a KJV only ... it's just that I started out with KJV a long time ago ...
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If someone gives you directions to a place down the street? And, you go there?
Its not works! And, it does not have to be spiritual.
Here is what FollowerofShiloh said...
FollowerofShiloh said:
You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
You don't need to spiritually discern to look at the earth and know God created it.
The denial of God is what changes the Glory of God to them.
Please, if you would take the time to read Romans 1:18-23?
You will see that what Follower of Shilo said... is correct.
Ironically... You are making your anti-works charge into what appears to be works on your part!
grace and peace .................
On the basis of the individual election of any person, you may be correct.
The Jews have been grafted out, hence a Jew is unlikely to make a choice for Jesus.
Where as a Gentile, given that Gentiles are grafted in, are much more likely to believe in Jesus.
Sovereign election, a very complex subject.
I am torn between God's sovereignty, God's unconditional love, and our response to the Holy Spirit.
The following verse is where I stand.
Romans 11:33
Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!
The Jews have been grafted out, hence a Jew is unlikely to make a choice for Jesus.
Where as a Gentile, given that Gentiles are grafted in, are much more likely to believe in Jesus.
Sovereign election, a very complex subject.
I am torn between God's sovereignty, God's unconditional love, and our response to the Holy Spirit.
The following verse is where I stand.
Romans 11:33
Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!
Jews are grafted in ... in the same manner as gentiles ... through faith.
Romans 11:23-24 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
exactly!!!
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Romans 11:23-24 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
exactly!!!
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God’s sovereignty is simply the fact that the Lamb of God was slain BEFORE the foundation of the world. He will save ALL that choose to believe in Him.
God’s unconditional love is simply the fact that His love depends only on Him, NOT us… meaning God chooses to love us because He wants to love us, NOT because we deserve His love.
Our response to the Holy Spirit is simply the fact that we acknowledge we received God’s Invitation to come to Him… it is up to each individual to accept or reject God’s invitation.
God’s unconditional love is simply the fact that His love depends only on Him, NOT us… meaning God chooses to love us because He wants to love us, NOT because we deserve His love.
Our response to the Holy Spirit is simply the fact that we acknowledge we received God’s Invitation to come to Him… it is up to each individual to accept or reject God’s invitation.
Oh well I guess the fruits of the spirit of Jesus living in you is not deserving of Gods love either.
I mean could you see how depraving the depraved with nobody is deserving of God love, would make people not even realise this reality.
Then also the human nature that exists in fallen man was still created by God,
I mean could you see how that would be missed by the depraved who get further depraved by the people who believe in totally depraved.
I mean could you see how depraving the depraved with nobody is deserving of God love, would make people not even realise this reality.
Then also the human nature that exists in fallen man was still created by God,
I mean could you see how that would be missed by the depraved who get further depraved by the people who believe in totally depraved.
Yes I walk in divine health everyday, since I was healed.
There are no Devils to cast out as they don't exist in our realm. The Lord Jesus bound Satan and His Devils 2000 years ago, so they can't bother me or any Elect Saint.
There have been no additional Apostles in the past 2000, so there never was never any command given to do any such thing, so you need to go back and study the bible to enlighten yourself before you make false claims.
I only give my money to my brethren, in the Independent Nondenominational Reformed Baptist Church. I would never give a dime to anyone else outside of my Church.
I show my love for my enemies by sharing the gospel with them, even thou7gh they hate me even more for sharing as it is the stench of death to them. I would never lay down my life for my enemies, that's a Satanic suggestion. I rebuke, judge and prosecute offenders against me and depending on the offence I'm ready to kill them on the spot.
I'm not sure how you came up with these absurd suggestions.
There are no Devils to cast out as they don't exist in our realm. The Lord Jesus bound Satan and His Devils 2000 years ago, so they can't bother me or any Elect Saint.
There have been no additional Apostles in the past 2000, so there never was never any command given to do any such thing, so you need to go back and study the bible to enlighten yourself before you make false claims.
I only give my money to my brethren, in the Independent Nondenominational Reformed Baptist Church. I would never give a dime to anyone else outside of my Church.
I show my love for my enemies by sharing the gospel with them, even thou7gh they hate me even more for sharing as it is the stench of death to them. I would never lay down my life for my enemies, that's a Satanic suggestion. I rebuke, judge and prosecute offenders against me and depending on the offence I'm ready to kill them on the spot.
I'm not sure how you came up with these absurd suggestions.
But we are instructed to judge everyone. It is foolish to trust and believe everyone who claims to poses the truth. God gave us may scriptures, which warn us and instruct us to judge wisely.
You have confused Gods final judgement with mans temporal judgement. We must judge to safeguard ourselves and our brethren from Demonic Doctrines. Gods Elect Saints are indwelt by the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, He has given u a sound mind so we won't fall for the deception of the enemy.
Hebrews 5:14 - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
John 7:24 - Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Matthew 10:16 - Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
These are just a few of many verses, which prove the importance of judging everyone according to their fruits.
You have confused Gods final judgement with mans temporal judgement. We must judge to safeguard ourselves and our brethren from Demonic Doctrines. Gods Elect Saints are indwelt by the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, He has given u a sound mind so we won't fall for the deception of the enemy.
Hebrews 5:14 - But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
John 7:24 - Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Matthew 10:16 - Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
These are just a few of many verses, which prove the importance of judging everyone according to their fruits.
