Is there a difference between the new and old covenant?

[montana123]

Hi everyone,

Other then the old is old and new is new, what are the differences of the old and new covenant ( Moses ) , I am asking because I do not see any difference, both are about keeping the law?

Also please use scripture.

Thank you and have a good Easter.

The Old Testament was a physical covenant with physical blessings, and physical laws to obey, but the spiritual law was also there which are the laws of love, moral laws, which the 10 commandments are those type of laws which were to be obeyed.

The blood of bulls and goats covered their sins and could not wash them away completely, and there was a remembrance of their sins every year in which a sacrifice had to be made again to cover those sins.

The Old Testament could not provide spiritual salvation to be able to dwell with God but they were only blessed with physical blessings on this earth.

In the Old Testament they could be blessed with money, and property, and abundance of food, and the protection of their nation from their enemies.

The New Covenant is a spiritual covenant with spiritual blessings but also the physical blessing of food, and clothing, and the saints are only to go by their needs, and not their wants, which the early Church sold all they had that was not a necessity and distributed the money to the poor.

The blood of Jesus completely washes away sins which then they can have the Spirit causing them to have a spiritual relationship with God, and be with Him.

The 2 greatest laws are love God, and love people, which Paul said we do not void out the law through faith, but we establish the law which are the laws of love, moral laws.

Which the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good, and must be obeyed for love is the fulfilling of the law.

Which charity, love in action, is greater than faith, and hope, and faith works by love.

Which love does not think an evil thought, and does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth to be led of the Spirit to be Christlike which a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

The law is always to be obeyed the laws of love, moral laws, but they had physical laws in the Old Testament that do not apply in the New Testament.

Which Jesus nailed the physical ordinances of Israel to His cross taking them out of the way for they were contrary to us for they had no bearing on spiritual salvation.

Therefore let no person judge you of those ordinances for we do not have to obey them today.

In the Old Testament they could not have the Spirit because their sins were only covered, so they could not have a spiritual relationship with God, but in the New Testament we can have the Spirit for our sins are completely washed away, so we can have a spiritual relationship with God.

 

[Dino246]

No, just allowing the scripture to speak for Itself. It doesn’t need our help.

The law stated only the Levities could be priests.Num 18:20-32 Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. So how would He become our High Priest if the law (priesthood) was’t changed. Which is what Hebrews 7 addresses.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.

28: For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

I guess we have free will to write whatever law we want in scriptures. I just don’t recommend doing so, one might end up deleting something God wants us to Remember and keep.

What you have completely overlooked is that the Law given at Sinai is ONE law. That the terms of the priesthood changed means that the ENTIRE Law changed. It's not just one ordinance; it's the whole thing.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

What you have completely overlooked is that the Law given at Sinai is ONE law. That the terms of the priesthood changed means that the ENTIRE Law changed. It's not just one ordinance; it's the whole thing.

Well we were talking about the law in Heb 7 which provides the context of the law it is referring to the priesthood.

There wasn’t one law at Sinai according to scripture- Neh 9:13, Exo 34:28, Deut 4:13, Deut 5:22 Deut Deut 31:24-26. There are lots of laws in scripture and the context, if we allow, will tell us which law its referring to.

You say the whole law ended- Jesus said not one jot or tittle shall pass from His law and not to break the least of these commandments. Mat 5:18-30. My faith is in Jesus and His every Word.

Thanks for the chat and I wish you well.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

No, just allowing the scripture to speak for Itself. It doesn’t need our help.

The law stated only the Levities could be priests.Num 18:20-32 Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. So how would He become our High Priest if the law (priesthood) was’t changed. Which is what Hebrews 7 addresses.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.

28: For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

I guess we have free will to write whatever law we want in scriptures. I just don’t recommend doing so, one might end up deleting something God wants us to Remember and keep.

Or freedom also to just accept what it clearly says

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

…Wherefore then serveth the law?

It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

…But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12, 19-20, 23-25, 27-29‬ ‭

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you have completely overlooked is that the Law given at Sinai is ONE law. That the terms of the priesthood changed means that the ENTIRE Law changed. It's not just one ordinance; it's the whole thing.

Exactly !! And written in it it says anyone who changes it takes away or adds to it would partake of its curses

Jesus wasn’t qualified by the law to be a priest of Moses law but forbidden because he wasnt a levite his tribe had no priestly service under the law judah was reserved for the gospel promises and inheritance in heaven

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Or freedom also to just accept what it clearly says

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

…Wherefore then serveth the law?

It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

…But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12, 19-20, 23-25, 27-29‬ ‭

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What many people miss is the freedom is from sin, which is what our salvation is from Mat 1:21 if one is in Christ (married to Him) they are keeping the commandments John 14:16 Exo 20:6 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 and not hostile to God’s law Rom 8:7-8, that is being in bondage of sin and why the Ten Commandments is called the law of Liberty. James 2:10-12 and why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 because He doesn’t want us to be in bondage of sin but to be reconciled back to Him Rev 22:14 We are either a servant to Him or a servant of sin- one path leads to righteousness, the other one down the wrong path. Rom 6:16

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What many people miss is the freedom is from sin, which is what our salvation is from Mat 1:21 if one is in Christ (married to Him) they are keeping the commandments John 14:16 Exo 20:6 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 and not hostile to God’s law Rom 8:7-8, that is being in bondage of sin and why the Ten Commandments is called the law of Liberty. James 2:10-12 and why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 because He doesn’t want us to be in bondage of sin but to be reconciled back to Him Rev 22:14 We are either a servant to Him or a servant of sin- one path leads to righteousness, the other one down the wrong path. Rom 6:16

The thing is you totally ignore what the New Testament says about the Old Testament law and then argue against everything it says

the law can never make anyone free from Sin the gospel can make people free from sin but it’s like you won’t acknolwedge what the New Testament says about the Old Testament

And then just make arguments of why other people are making things up or writing thier own laws

The issue is you won’t accept what the New Testament says to the church about the law of Moses. It’s not even disputable what it actually says

 

[Dino246]

You say the whole law ended- Jesus said not one jot or tittle shall pass from His law and not to break the least of these commandments. Mat 5:18-30. My faith is in Jesus and His every Word.

Apparently not in the words you carefully omitted though... "until all is fulfilled". Jesus said on the cross before He surrendered His spirit, "It is finished!" The Law is fulfilled completely in the person and finished work of Jesus Christ.

Thanks for the chat and I wish you well.

While I wish you well also, I hope far more that you come to right understanding of Scripture, which teaches that we are saved by faith and not by adherence to the Law.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Apparently not in the words you carefully omitted though... "until all is fulfilled". Jesus said on the cross before He surrendered His spirit, "It is finished!" The Law is fulfilled completely in the person and finished work of Jesus Christ.


While I wish you well also, I hope far more that you come to right understanding of Scripture, which teaches that we are saved by faith and not by adherence to the Law.

He said until ALL is fulfilled, which means when Jesus comes on the Clouds and wipes away all tears and no more sin (which is not fulfilled yet) hence why He said not to break the least or teach others to break the least of the commandments as one would be least in heaven as it affects our status in heaven. I do not believe "least in heaven" means one will be there if you read the very next verse Mat 5:20.

One of the last verses in the bible before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Compared to the very next verse Rev 22:15

 

[vassal]

Jesus consistently emphasized the importance of the commandments, teaching their proper application both in the temple and to all who would listen, whether they were Jews or Gentiles. He and his disciples adhered to the commandments, as evidenced by accusations against him for healing on the Sabbath. However, Jesus did not approach them with the rigid and legalistic interpretation of the Pharisees. Instead, he demonstrated love and compassion, embodying the true spirit of the law. As he said in Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV), "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Jesus invites us to follow him and his commandments, not out of obligation or fear, but out of love for him.

Blessings.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Jesus consistently emphasized the importance of the commandments, teaching their proper application both in the temple and to all who would listen, whether they were Jews or Gentiles. He and his disciples adhered to the commandments, as evidenced by accusations against him for healing on the Sabbath. However, Jesus did not approach them with the rigid and legalistic interpretation of the Pharisees. Instead, he demonstrated love and compassion, embodying the true spirit of the law. As he said in Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV), "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Jesus invites us to follow him and his commandments, not out of obligation or fear, but out of love for him.

Blessings.

Yes!

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Jesus does not want us to sin 1 John 2:1-6- which is breaking His commandments 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 because when are a slave to sin (live in perpetual sin) it shows we belong to another spirit 1 John 3:8- Jesus wants to free us of that bondage and to belong to Him through love and faith. Rev 14:12 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rom 3:31- He won't even make us do it alone John 14:15-18 but sadly many people stay hostile to Gods law Rom 8:7-8 instead of embracing the Law of Liberty that frees us James 2:10-12 and reconciles us Rev 22:14-15

God's law can't save us- it only shows us our sins Rom 3:20, so we don't cover them and therefore can't prosper by confessing and receiving His mercy, grace and sanctification. Prov 28:13 1 John 1:9

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes!

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Jesus does not want us to sin 1 John 2:1-6- which is breaking His commandments 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 because when are a slave to sin (live in perpetual sin) it shows we belong to another spirit 1 John 3:8- Jesus wants to free us of that bondage and to belong to Him through love and faith. Rev 14:12 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rom 3:31- He won't even make us do it alone John 14:15-18 but sadly many people stay hostile to Gods law Rom 8:7-8 instead of embracing the Law of Liberty that frees us James 2:10-12 and reconciles us Rev 22:14-15

God's law can't save us- it only shows us our sins Rom 3:20, so we don't cover them and therefore can't prosper by confessing and receiving His mercy, grace and sanctification. Prov 28:13 1 John 1:9

“1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.”

“For the law was given by Moses,


but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭

No one in this thread is saying Jesus wants anyone to sin.

“And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.


And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭

Jesus was the one giving Gods true commandments to everyone. Moses made a covenant with the children of Israel in Gods behalf as the mediator between God and the people.

what you aren’t grasping is the fact that each covenant is complete one is based entirely upon Moses mediation to the children of Israel it’s entire design is for a singular purpose it all works together for a particular goal regarding a particular people

it’s what the Bible calls the law of Moses or refers to as “the book of the law “ what it contains is everything Moses commanded the people and everything he wrote down in his book of the covenant. The covenwnt is literally and completely defined by what Moses wrote and did and mediated between God and the people the covenant was made with , the children of Israel.

that covenant has its own words to the people it’s made with its own conditions it’s own promises it’s own preisthood it’s own sacrifices had it’s own tenoke and tabernacle design had its own chosen and appointed land of inheritance ect

None of those things are the same in the new covenant it’s not Moses words tonisrsel it’s Jesus words to the world . It’s not the blood of animals it’s the blood of Jesus . It’s not the preisthood of Aaron it’s the preisthood of Jesus it’s not a single chosen nation based on man’s blood and flesh , it’s all nations called and Invited based off n the flesh and blood of Jesus ect ect

it’s an entirely new covenant not according to the old it has better words better promises better inheritance

just as the old covenant gives the knowledge of sin and cannot justify anyone . The New Testament gives the knowledge of God and righteousness and can justify anyone we have to accept the covenant God made with us and not the one he made with a oeiple that he onew would always rebel against him and break his covenant

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16-18‬ ‭

When that happened he promised to make a new better covenant that wasn’t according to the broken one but a new one spoken by the lord

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want the covenant made by Jesus not the one made by Moses “the covenant “ is based upon the word of God in each testament we want the New Testament promises not the old ones those can’t save sinners Jesus can save sinners by teaching them righteousness and truth

The law teaches the knowledge of sin the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God they don’t mix together

One is ordained of angels and given into the hand of Moses for mediation and promised eventual death

the other is spoken by the son of God sent by the Father and offers the holy ghost to believers and promises eternal life

 

[vassal]

“1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.”

“For the law was given by Moses,


but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭

No one in this thread is saying Jesus wants anyone to sin.

“And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.


And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭

Jesus was the one giving Gods true commandments to everyone. Moses made a covenant with the children of Israel in Gods behalf as the mediator between God and the people.

what you aren’t grasping is the fact that each covenant is complete one is based entirely upon Moses mediation to the children of Israel it’s entire design is for a singular purpose it all works together for a particular goal regarding a particular people

it’s what the Bible calls the law of Moses or refers to as “the book of the law “ what it contains is everything Moses commanded the people and everything he wrote down in his book of the covenant. The covenwnt is literally and completely defined by what Moses wrote and did and mediated between God and the people the covenant was made with , the children of Israel.

that covenant has its own words to the people it’s made with its own conditions it’s own promises it’s own preisthood it’s own sacrifices had it’s own tenoke and tabernacle design had its own chosen and appointed land of inheritance ect

None of those things are the same in the new covenant it’s not Moses words tonisrsel it’s Jesus words to the world . It’s not the blood of animals it’s the blood of Jesus . It’s not the preisthood of Aaron it’s the preisthood of Jesus it’s not a single chosen nation based on man’s blood and flesh , it’s all nations called and Invited based off n the flesh and blood of Jesus ect ect

it’s an entirely new covenant not according to the old it has better words better promises better inheritance

just as the old covenant gives the knowledge of sin and cannot justify anyone . The New Testament gives the knowledge of God and righteousness and can justify anyone we have to accept the covenant God made with us and not the one he made with a oeiple that he onew would always rebel against him and break his covenant

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them. Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16-18‬ ‭

When that happened he promised to make a new better covenant that wasn’t according to the broken one but a new one spoken by the lord

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We want the covenant made by Jesus not the one made by Moses “the covenant “ is based upon the word of God in each testament we want the New Testament promises not the old ones those can’t save sinners Jesus can save sinners by teaching them righteousness and truth

The law teaches the knowledge of sin the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God they don’t mix together

One is ordained of angels and given into the hand of Moses for mediation and promised eventual death

the other is spoken by the son of God sent by the Father and offers the holy ghost to believers and promises eternal life

You wrote:""The law teaches the knowledge of sin the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God they don’t mix together""

A glass half empty or a glass half full? there a many ways of seeing. The law does not teach sin! it simply points to it or what we should not do! the commandments and Jesus are the way to eternal life!

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Jesus said: If you love me- keep My commandments John 14:15

When asked which ones- He quotes right from the Ten and the greatest commandment- which is the summary of the Ten. Romans 13:9

Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments again quoting from the Ten Commandments as one would be in fear of sin and judgement.

Mat 5: 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus not only doesn't want us to literally break the commandments- He doesn't even want us to think about breaking them in our hearts where sin begins.

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Jesus again taught on the Ten Commandments condemning the pharisees for keeping their rules over obeying the commandments of God. Jesus commissions us that our righteousness must exceed the Pharisees so following in their same footsteps is not a wise idea if we are going to believe the plain teachings of Jesus.

Matthew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”


The teachings of Jesus cannot be made any clearer! Our righteousness means nothing! Which is what we do when we depend on our own version of right and wrong doing. All of God's commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 and Truth Psa 119:105 and we are only sanctified by the Truth in God's Word John 17:17 and only God can sanctify us Eze 20:12 we can't sanctify ourselves which is what we try to do when we depend on ourselves instead of following God and living by His every Word. .

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You wrote:""The law teaches the knowledge of sin the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God they don’t mix together""

A glass half empty or a glass half full? there a many ways of seeing. The law does not teach sin! it simply points to it or what we should not do! the commandments and Jesus are the way to eternal life!

You wrote:""The law teaches the knowledge of sin the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God they don’t mix together""

yeah I wrote this

“The law teaches the knowledge of sin “ I also wrote the law cannot justify anyone because

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and I said also

“the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God”

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, ( not together with the law without the law )being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I could have just quoted the scriptures but it seemed easier tonjist talk about them at that point because I’ve already quoted them beforehand lol figured someone might have read them before reading what I said in summary

this the law

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭

doesn’t mix with the gospel it’s a broken covenant made with an ancient people and was fulfilled as a curse upon them for breaking it as is written repeatedly in it . The commandments of God are the things he said when he walked among us

moses foretold it

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭

Jesus fulfilled it

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter confirmed it

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ Don’t kill “ is what you tell a murderer , don’t commit adultery is what you tell an adulterer dot bear false witness is what you tell a false witness don’t lie is what you tell a liar don’t make idols to worship as gods is what you tell idolaters ect ect

The law of Moses doesn’t go together with the gospel

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

it’s the simplest and most basic thing there are two covenants one was made with israel to know it one needs only read the words Moses spoke to the children of Israel

the other is made by Jesus and is sent to all people of creation it’s based only on what Jesus said in the gospel they aren’t two sides of one covenant they aren’t both leading to the same place they don’t have the same ordination , mediation or audience not promises

One creates a religion that is absent Christ and his atonement and without the renewal of the holy spirit of someone wants to keep the law they need to keep what the le says in Moses book or they are taking in the curses written it it it’s a bad idea for someone to yoke themselves to the law however

Hard to get around statement like this

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭

i don’t believe people arguing for the keeping of the law understand what the law even is . Or that its a while you don’t get to pick and choose you either keep everything Moses commanded or you are guilty of breaking the law and now are cursed by it’s words written to curse sinners that break it

The commandments are the things Jesus said to his disciples that’s the word God will hold everyone to Jesus words

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You wrote:""The law teaches the knowledge of sin the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God they don’t mix together""

yeah I wrote this

“The law teaches the knowledge of sin “ I also wrote the law cannot justify anyone because

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and I said also

“the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God”

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, ( not together with the law without the law )being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I could have just quoted the scriptures but it seemed easier tonjist talk about them at that point because I’ve already quoted them beforehand lol figured someone might have read them before reading what I said in summary

this the law

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭

doesn’t mix with the gospel it’s a broken covenant made with an ancient people and was fulfilled as a curse upon them for breaking it as is written repeatedly in it . The commandments of God are the things he said when he walked among us

moses foretold it

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭

Jesus fulfilled it

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter confirmed it

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ Don’t kill “ is what you tell a murderer , don’t commit adultery is what you tell an adulterer dot bear false witness is what you tell a false witness don’t lie is what you tell a liar don’t make idols to worship as gods is what you tell idolaters ect ect

The law of Moses doesn’t go together with the gospel

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

it’s the simplest and most basic thing there are two covenants one was made with israel to know it one needs only read the words Moses spoke to the children of Israel

the other is made by Jesus and is sent to all people of creation it’s based only on what Jesus said in the gospel they aren’t two sides of one covenant they aren’t both leading to the same place they don’t have the same ordination , mediation or audience not promises

One creates a religion that is absent Christ and his atonement and without the renewal of the holy spirit of someone wants to keep the law they need to keep what the le says in Moses book or they are taking in the curses written it it it’s a bad idea for someone to yoke themselves to the law however

Hard to get around statement like this

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10‬ ‭

i don’t believe people arguing for the keeping of the law understand what the law even is . Or that its a while you don’t get to pick and choose you either keep everything Moses commanded or you are guilty of breaking the law and now are cursed by it’s words written to curse sinners that break it

The commandments are the things Jesus said to his disciples that’s the word God will hold everyone to Jesus words

How does one have faith in Jesus, but not faith in His teachings. You are taking so many verses out of context which is why there's confusion. For example, If you continue reading in James 2- it very clearly tells the "whole law" it is referring to. The Ten Commandments which is not the law of Moses, but the law of God. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 that God identifies as My Commandments Exo 20:6 as does Jesus Mat 15:3-14 James only quotes and contrasts the Ten Commandments.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

You will only find thou shalt not commit adultery and murder in the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20. and the "He who said" is God who personally wrote and spoke these. After He finished- He added NO MORE Deut 5:22. All the other laws was written by Moses placed outside the ark and called the law of Moses.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

How does one have faith in Jesus, but not faith in His teachings. You are taking so many verses out of context which is why there's confusion. For example, If you continue reading in James 2- it very clearly tells the "whole" law it is referring to. The Ten Commandments which is not the law of Moses, but the law of God. He only quotes and contrasts the Ten Commandments.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

You will only find thou shalt not commit adultery and murder in the Ten Commandments. and the "He who said" is God who personally wrote and spoke these. After He finished- He added NO MORE Deut 5:22

“How does one have faith in Jesus, but not faith in His teachings. “

thats where my faith and where faith has to be in the teachings of Jesus the Christ not the teachings of Moses

a I can see you have no response to any of the long sins of scripture and your excuse is somehow I’m twisting this lol?

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is just a plan straight forward statement by an apostle of Jesus Christ . You can’t accept it and have no response for it because it’s so plain so therefore I must be twisting scripture yet all I’ve don’t is quoted what Paul said clearly and plainly here’s another example

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; ( Jesus see v 16)

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.


But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.


Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19-20, 23-25‬ ‭

In other words the law was until the gospel came forth and Jesus shed his blood of remission for the old covenant

What’s being said isnt a mystery it’s plainly there it has nothing to do with anyone twisting anything it has to do with you avoiding everything and saying people are twisting things .

how do you answer any of those many many scriptures plainly saying what they say ?

and how is it you can’t accept acts 15 it’s also been quoted more than once this issue came up early on and was settled by the aposltes and elders. Sometimes the issue is us when we won’t acknolwedge what’s very plain

How do you answer what the apostles are explaining constantly about the law ? No one in the new tertwment ever once says “ we must all keep Moses law “ they say the opposite

“forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭

your missing it badly you can never learn what God wants from us if your always looking at what he told us not to do . “Thou shalt not “ is t teschkng anyone what to do or how to live its speaking to these folk

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is for salvstion

 

[SabbathBlessing]

“How does one have faith in Jesus, but not faith in His teachings. “

thats where my faith and where faith has to be in the teachings of Jesus the Christ not the teachings of Moses

a I can see you have no response to any of the long sins of scripture and your excuse is somehow I’m twisting this lol?

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is just a plan straight forward statement by an apostle of Jesus Christ . You can’t accept it and have no response for it because it’s so plain so therefore I must be twisting scripture yet all I’ve don’t is quoted what Paul said clearly and plainly here’s another example

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; ( Jesus see v 16)

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.


But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.


Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19-20, 23-25‬ ‭

In other words the law was until the gospel came forth and Jesus shed his blood of remission for the old covenant

What’s being said isnt a mystery it’s plainly there it has nothing to do with anyone twisting anything it has to do with you avoiding everything and saying people are twisting things .

how do you answer any of those many many scriptures plainly saying what they say ?

and how is it you can’t accept acts 15 it’s also been quoted more than once this issue came up early on and was settled by the aposltes and elders. Sometimes the issue is us when we won’t acknolwedge what’s very plain

How do you answer what the apostles are explaining constantly about the law ? No one in the new tertwment ever once says “ we must all keep Moses law “ they say the opposite

“forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭

your missing it badly you can never learn what God wants from us if your always looking at what he told us not to do . “Thou shalt not “ is t teschkng anyone what to do or how to live its speaking to these folk

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel is for salvstion

You are confusing the laws

The law that was added because of sin cannot be the same law that defines sin- the Ten Commandments. Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

Jesus said if you love Me keep My commandments and taught on the Ten Commandments because He doesn't want us to sin. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

We are not made righteous from the law- only Christ is righteous we keep God's law through love and faith 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12 which leads to righteousness- sin leads us down the wrong path. Romans 6:16

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

 

[Cameron143]

You wrote:""The law teaches the knowledge of sin the gospel teaches the righteousness and will of God they don’t mix together""

A glass half empty or a glass half full? there a many ways of seeing. The law does not teach sin! it simply points to it or what we should not do! the commandments and Jesus are the way to eternal life!

This is half correct. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. The commandments are not.
It's good that this point arises in a discussion of the difference between the covenants. The old covenant was between God and Israel. It was based on the law. There were stipulations made for blessings and cursings based on obedience and disobedience. The new covenant is between Christ and God. It too was based on the law.
Israel failed to keep the terms of the old covenant and suffered for it. Jesus kept the terms of the old covenant and ushered in the new covenant.
For us, entrance into the old covenant is never offered. Entrance into the new covenant is offered, but entrance is through faith and not conduct. The only stipulation for entrance into the new covenant is that we believe. Thus, only Jesus is the way.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

How does one have faith in Jesus, but not faith in His teachings. You are taking so many verses out of context which is why there's confusion. For example, If you continue reading in James 2- it very clearly tells the "whole law" it is referring to. The Ten Commandments which is not the law of Moses, but the law of God. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 that God identifies as My Commandments Exo 20:6 as does Jesus Mat 15:3-14 James only quotes and contrasts the Ten Commandments.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

You will only find thou shalt not commit adultery and murder in the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20. and the "He who said" is God who personally wrote and spoke these. After He finished- He added NO MORE Deut 5:22. All the other laws was written by Moses placed outside the ark and called the law of Moses.

Can you understand this one ? Your insisting on the Ten Commandments they came from Mount Sinai listen carefully to Paul’s message here it’s aimed directly at what you think

“Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

For it is written, that Abraham had two sons,

the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;

the one from the mount Sinai, ( Ten Commandments ) which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: ( the covenant from Sinai ) for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.( the two covenants don’t go together ) So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, ( covenant from Sinai )

but of the free.”( Christs word in the gospel )
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:21-26, 30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Instead of disregarding this really look at what he’s saying it’s very clear

The old covenant from Sinai is like ishmael he was the firstborn , it when Isaac was born he was cast out of Abraham’s house so that he could not have a share in isaacs inheritance that’s an allegory of the two covenants one that was made with israel from sinia corresponds to the earthly Jerusalem and engenders bondage like Paul said there

this is the covenant your pushing for

the one from the mount Sinai, ( Ten Commandments ) which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

surely your not going to now argue the Ten Commandments isn’t what’s being referenced here ?

just incase

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Ten Commandments were given from Sinai and e heaven on stone tablets . I’m not sure we’re looking for a ministration of death when we have the offer of spirit and life in the words of Christ Jesus

I somehow think you still aren’t going to hear what Paul’s saying but I hope so that one’s really reallly clear we need to partake of the new covenant made by Jesus with his creatures not the covenant Moses made with the children of Israel in the desert of sin the Ten Commandments belong to the covenant from Sinai it’s a law tbat is for those without the holt ghost , wothout the atonement of Christ , without ever hearing or believing in his name oeople trying to live blindly needed a law telling them not to kill anyone not to lie to anyone not to commit adultery ect Christian’s are supposed to be filled with Gods spirit being owrtakers of the divine nature you don’t need to tell a born again Christian “ don’t kill anyone now or I’ll have to have you killed “

thats not the gospel the gospel teaches us how to treat other people , not how not to treat people but how to treat people with love , with grace with forgivness , with patience , wothout judgement and condemnation ect helping people and not harming them ect ect

The Ten Commandments aren’t going to be violated by Christina’s friend we don’t go around killing people so that someone needs to threaten us not to kill we’re born of Gods spirit he’s present with us tesching us the good to walk in

a if we didn’t have Jesus of course we would need the law made for sinners without him but Christian’s have him with us we don’t need Moses to e yet i to a dark cloud and pillar of fire and then come back and tell us what he said we better not do or else ……

that’s all behind mankind now Christ has now come forth he is t hiding in a cloud anymore he’s standing with arms wide open calling us to come near to him we dont want to hear what creates this sinful scared mind in tbe ot

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When the word is about sin and death that’s the response we as Christian’s want this word the opposite of that

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems like your tying Jesus words to the Ten Commandments wrotten on stone tablets telling people what not to do ……he’s talking about the words he spoke when he came o to the world in the gospel not Moses law