Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[John146]

what else does the bible say about new life

If there is something you want to say, then say it.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

If there is something you want to say, then say it.

I'm asking you what else does the bible say about new life.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The problem is what time frame to put this in. Although many want to put its fulfillment around 70 A.D. there are problems:
1. Nation didn't rise against nation, Rome was in control.
2. Nor were there any pestilence and earthquakes, however there has been a slow buildup of these things the past couple of centuries.
3. None of the apostles here addressed were delivered up and hated of all nations after 70 A.D. because none of them were alive except John.

1. Luke 21 Jesus was preaching in the temple and said nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom and when you shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies then know that the desolation (of Jerusalem) therefore is nigh.

2. Luke 21:11, And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights, and great signs shajj there be from heaven.

3. Jesus chose his apostles before he was crucified, except Paul (Luke 6:13) The kingdom of God is one of many names that define Christs church mentioned in Luke 21:31..

 

[Charlie_2024]

John Calvin was a Roman Catholic priest who believed in baby sprinkling for regeneration and murdered those who disagreed with him. He also believed that God was the author of sin. Great theologian.🤦‍♂️

These are all lies, some enemy of the truth has told you all of this. You never did any research to find the out the facts. Remember Devil is a liar, and His children do the same.

God said, in 1 John 4:1-3

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

John Calvin is not guilty of any of those things, remember the Antichrist Spirit is in the world deceiving people. Don't just swallow what the Antichrist spirt tells you. Search the scriptures to see if these things are true.

The Antichrist is in the Church now, and is blinding people and leading them to the lake of fire.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

These are all lies, some enemy of the truth has told you all of this. You never did any research to find the out the facts. Remember Devil is a liar, and His children do the same.

God said, in 1 John 4:1-3

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

John Calvin is not guilty of any of those things, remember the Antichrist Spirit is in the world deceiving people. Don't just swallow what the Antichrist spirt tells you. Search the scriptures to see if these things are true.

The Antichrist is in the Church now, and is blinding people and leading them to the lake of fire.

the devil is in your head Charlie its called the rotten tulip doctrine that tells all other denomination there evil and your not.

 

[Charlie_2024]

But, from your religio-philosophy, you don't know, based on what you can SEE, whether they are Calvinist-elect and just have not yet been called; or they are called Calvinist-elect and have back-slidden, but God will make sure they persevere after a period of God-decreed pandering to their flesh; or they were God-decreed to have evanescent grace only, and they were never Calvinistelect even when they looked like they were Calvinist-elect.

You've made an absolute mess of that none of that even makes any sense. You go off on incoherent tangents, and confuse yourself and those trying to make sense of what you're trying to say.

I already explained the position of a true believer. We don't mess with Gods Word. We take God at His Word, while others like to confuse His Word in order to apply their own private interpretation and build a false doctrine.

I never said I know who the elect are, only the elect and God know. The rest of us can judge them by their fruits to see if they are on the road to hell. God brings His elect back from the road to hell, while He leaves the non elect on the road to hell.

I kept going back on the road to hell for many years, I used to leave the Church and live like a reprobate for several years and then God would grant me repentance and I would join the Church again. This kept happening over and over, I kept going back for more fornication, drug abuse and all kinds of other depraved sinful behaviors.

Many of my friends, never repented when they fell away. Many died and many became hardened, having their conscious sired with a hot iron and are now unreachable with the gospel. God has given them over to serve sin and His wrath abides on them and it looks like they are eternally condemned.

I don't know why God kept regenerating me, every time I fell away and backslid, while He left other to die in their sin and others in a condemned state.

That's why we believe God when He said He's a mystery and no man will ever be able to understand Him or understand why He does what He does. It's foolish to think you can get into the mind of God.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

You've made an absolute mess of that none of that even makes any sense. You go off on incoherent tangents, and confuse yourself and those trying to make sense of what you're trying to say.

I already explained the position of a true believer. We don't mess with Gods Word. We take God at His Word, while others like to confuse His Word in order to apply their own private interpretation and build a false doctrine.

I never said I know who the elect are, only the elect and God know. The rest of us can judge them by their fruits to see if they are on the road to hell. God brings His elect back from the road to hell, while He leaves the non elect on the road to hell.

I kept going back on the road to hell for many years, I used to leave the Church and live like a reprobate for several years and then God would grant me repentance and I would join the Church again. This kept happening over and over, I kept going back for more fornication, drug abuse and all kinds of other depraved sinful behaviors.

Many of my friends, never repented when they fell away. Many died and many became hardened, having their conscious sired with a hot iron and are now unreachable with the gospel. God has given them over to serve sin and His wrath abides on them and it looks like they are eternally condemned.

I don't know why God kept regenerating me, every time I fell away and backslid, while He left other to die in their sin and others in a condemned state.

That's why we believe God when He said He's a mystery and no man will ever be able to understand Him or understand why He does what He does. It's foolish to think you can get into the mind of God.

the only person who has regenerated you is the devil

 

[Charlie_2024]

I know Calvinists are allergic to context, but Numbers 23:19 is a response to a request, from Balak, and Balaam is saying that "[IN THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHICH YOU ARE ASKING] God is not a man, that he should lie (piel imperfect) , nor a son of man, that he should change his mind (Hithpael imperfect); he has said (qal perfect) and he will do (qal imperfect).”

Likewise in 1 Sam. 15:29 "He who is the Glory of Israel is not lying (piel imperfect) or will repent (niphal imperfect); for He is not a man, to repent (niphal infinitive construct) [in this case]."

In context, these are not absolute claims about what God always does. These are about what God is willing to do in these particular cases. It is a logical fallacy to create a general rule from one or two specific instances. Especially when there are other tects in other situations in the Bible where God DOES REPENT.

I know you Armenians love to pluck out Bible verses and twist them to make them say something other that what they are saying. It is necessary to do this when your theology, doesn't line up with scripture and actually contradicts what God actually said.

I know another Bible character who questioned Gods authority, by asking "hath God said, ye shall die. Ye shall not surely die".

Why don't we all allow God to be God and stop trying to change what He said, just because we hate the truth. I agree the truth is awful, and 97% Christians reject Gods Word as He spoke it. They are hell bent on twisting it, because it is the stench of death to unbelievers.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I know you Armenians love to pluck out Bible verses and twist them to make them say something other that what they are saying. It is necessary to do this when your theology, doesn't line up with scripture and actually contradicts what God actually said.

I know another Bible character who questioned Gods authority, by asking "hath God said, ye shall die. Ye shall not surely die".

Why don't we all allow God to be God and stop trying to change what He said, just because we hate the truth. I agree the truth is awful, and 97% Christians reject Gods Word as He spoke it. They are hell bent on twisting it, because it is the stench of death to unbelievers.

this is also an evil comment.

 

[Charlie_2024]

how does he laugh Charlie

He can create a moth for Himself in an instant, just like magic

 

[Charlie_2024]

are you sure Charly

Why did Jesus say unless you repent you will perish



Luke 13:1-9

New King James Version





Repent or Perish
13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

Jesus did give us a few instruction, for our own good

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Jesus did give us a few instruction, for our own good

you said no one has been saved in the last 6000 years

This verse says differently

Luke 13:1-9

New King James Version





Repent or Perish
13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

 

[Charlie_2024]

The lord told me to patient with you for some reason.
.he even told me to put up with criticism you have for Me too,

I don't know why he said this, but he's told me to wait and see.

I believe he's Got a message for you, its probably dependant on how you seek him I think.

The Lord told you noting, He hasn't spoken a word in 2000 years. Man you come up with some bizarre stuff

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Jesus did give us a few instruction, for our own good

You only know Jesus when it suits you.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The Lord told you noting, He hasn't spoken a word in 2000 years. Man you come up with some bizarre stuff

another evil comment that goes with your depraved understanding of total depravity.

 

[Charlie_2024]

You’re commanded to judge? Jesus said “ Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged.” He said you would “know them by there fruits.” The Pharisees at the time thought very much like yourself. They thought they were commanded to judge. In fact they knew more scripture than anyone else, yet they crucified Jesus.

Precisely, that's exactly what I'm doing. I don't judge my fellow Elect Saints of God, I only judge the Pharisees of today. Which are mostly professing Christians

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Precisely, that's exactly what I'm doing. I don't judge my fellow Elect Saints of God, I only judge the Pharisees of today. Which are mostly professing Christians

Nope you judged people on here and you don't even know there heart.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The Lord told you noting, He hasn't spoken a word in 2000 years. Man you come up with some bizarre stuff

hatred is all that's in your heart

 

[Charlie_2024]

Yeah, you're a legend in your own mind.

Here is a word for you: ready CONTEXT!!! David prayed to speak of his relationship with his God.

Some would argue it was Figertively said. David was saying God is with HIM ALWAYS is David in hell?

NO.

Here are two more words for you to look up.


Descriptive = scripture not to build a doctrine on not shown more than once or trice contextually as a Normative

Normative = that which is in scripture; the doctrine that can be seen and adhered to or said many times beyond descriptive.


You are wrong and unwilling to be corrected. But that's ok.

That argument doesn't stand up to Bible truth. why would David use lies in his prayers, why would he utter something so ridiculous. So yes it's all about context, and you blew it way out of context

 

[maxamir]

Don't even know who that is. But I have heard of John Calvin and he did not write the gospel of John.

The Person I worship is the Lord Jesus Christ, as He is the one I speak to more than any other. I challenge you to go and look at your own post. John Calvin is mentioned more in them than The Lord Jesus. That is my issue with this topic. You have even said or suggested that John Calvin is authoritative, as if it is God's word. And you said that Jesus has been silent for almost 2000 years. That is untrue and unbiblical. The Word of God is Complete from GEN to REV. You are adding J. Calvin to the Canon. Redicuals when J. Calvin was a Reformwer

No, I am not assuming that at all I said Christ died for all.

stop procrastinating and be a man. Who is the all?

Did Christ for those in Hell???