Predestination is misunderstood...
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OK. How does God define saved?
Moses and Elijah were justified by their faith in God, even though as yet their sins were not really atoned for, because the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sins. What does justified mean? It means reckoned righteous. And people in both old and new testament are reckoned righteous by their faith. If they are reckoned righteous, God id not counting their sins against them... because He is reckoning them righteous through faith. That is why God was so close to Moses and Elijah at that point. Moses and Elijah had their sins atoned for after this transfiguration event, when Jesus bore them onto the cross. But Moses and Elijah are still waiting to be resurrected in a restored physical body, which will be their completed salvation,
Moses and Elijah were justified by their faith in God, even though as yet their sins were not really atoned for, because the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sins. What does justified mean? It means reckoned righteous. And people in both old and new testament are reckoned righteous by their faith. If they are reckoned righteous, God id not counting their sins against them... because He is reckoning them righteous through faith. That is why God was so close to Moses and Elijah at that point. Moses and Elijah had their sins atoned for after this transfiguration event, when Jesus bore them onto the cross. But Moses and Elijah are still waiting to be resurrected in a restored physical body, which will be their completed salvation,
If you were justified/declared righteous, when Christ atoned for the world's sins, then the whole world was justified when Jesus atoned for the world's sins, and faith is unnecessary for justification, since we were all already justified in AD 33.
But scripture says we are justified by believing in Christ. So, you must be wrong.
But scripture says we are justified by believing in Christ. So, you must be wrong.
Oh I understand what you mean now! Thanks for making it clearer what you're thinking. I actually agree with all your points! I especially agree that we're not fully saved until we are clothed with the imperishable at the Lord's return. This is why Jesus kept emphasizing that we endure to the end, why Paul focused on finishing the race, etc.
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Typical.
I am mot justified unless my sins are atoned for. You can not have justification without atonement or redemption.
Made possible only by the redemption in Christ jesus
Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
I am mot justified unless my sins are atoned for. You can not have justification without atonement or redemption.
Made possible only by the redemption in Christ jesus
Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Oh I understand what you mean now! Thanks for making it clearer what you're thinking. I actually agree with all your points! I especially agree that we're not fully saved until we are clothed with the imperishable at the Lord's return. This is why Jesus kept emphasizing that we endure to the end, why Paul focused on finishing the race, etc.
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Has nothing to do with me, cant you read ?
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
David understood being made into the image and likeness of Christ as Per Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ps 17 15
As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
The word image in Rom 8:29 is the greek word eikōn :
an image, figure, likeness
Christ is the Image of God 2 Cor 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
So you are wrong !
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ps 17 15
As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
The word image in Rom 8:29 is the greek word eikōn :
an image, figure, likeness
Christ is the Image of God 2 Cor 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
So you are wrong !
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
