Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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homwardbound said:
God left no one out, thanking God for this last sacrifice for us all to decide whether or not to believe God that Son is risen for us to be new in love to all, thanks
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God only died for the elect because his sacrifice is only for the remission of sins of the elect.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
making people think God has totally depraved them.

Is the first thing.
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Pretty short list. But keep working on it.

Meanwhile, can you quote any Calvinist who taught that God is responsible for totally depraving sinners?
 
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homwardbound said:
Either one believes God or not, and God knows who is who and what is what, so I can rest medicine in continued trust to God not myself or anyone else, thanks Rufus
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Not all who claim to believe in Jesus are of the elect.

James 2:16-20
16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? 17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. 18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. 19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
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Rufus said:
You can't? It's called spiritual discernment.

Matt 7:15-20
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
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Well, this is talking about false prophets.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Angels can't determine between wheat and tares, but you can? You know who God will save? Would you have blown Paul off as irredeemable? You know who God will save?

While I agree one can be known by their fruit in the present, you do not know what God may yet do. That's why God desires mercy. Who knows...God might just use you to draw people to Him, rather than you pushing people away.
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And the present is all I can go by, for I am not God. Was Jesus, or even Paul for that matter, always gentle and kind with those who opposed Gospel truth? I seem to recall some pretty harsh words spoken by both here and there...
 
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LeeLoving said:
Well, this is talking about false prophets.
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But the spiritual principle can apply to many situations. Pastors in the pulpit, Sunday school teachers, church programs or ministries, etc.
 
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Rufus said:
Pretty short list. But keep working on it.

Meanwhile, can you quote any Calvinist who taught that God is responsible for totally depraving sinners?
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nope not a short list.

There a lot of people in the world
 
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Rufus said:
Pretty short list. But keep working on it.

Meanwhile, can you quote any Calvinist who taught that God is responsible for totally depraving sinners?
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the first thing I don't like about calvinism is it tells people they are totally depraved of God
 
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MerSee said:
God only died for the elect because his sacrifice is only for the remission of sins of the elect.
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Why? …because only the Elect will respond to His calling. Right?
 
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Rufus said:
But the spiritual principle can apply to many situations. Pastors in the pulpit, Sunday school teachers, church programs or ministries, etc.
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If that's what it says I don't know if it's wise to read beyond it.
 
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Rufus said:
And the present is all I can go by, for I am not God. Was Jesus, or even Paul for that matter, always gentle and kind with those who opposed Gospel truth? I seem to recall some pretty harsh words spoken by both here and there...
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I'm always amazed how God's people excuse their behavior.
 
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I'm just going to repost what I posted earlier since it seems like this is where the thread is going.

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Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the world and Isaiah 53 says the chastisement of our peace was upon him, but Jesus says anyone who learns of the Father will come to him and that someone has to be drawn by the Father to come to him.
 
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LeeLoving said:
I'm just going to repost what I posted earlier since it seems like this is where the thread is going.

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Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the world and Isaiah 53 says the chastisement of our peace was upon him, but Jesus says anyone who learns of the Father will come to him and that someone has to be drawn by the Father to come to him.
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Yes. So do only the Elect get drawn?
 
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selahsays said:
Uhhh… Would you mind elaborating just a little bit on that? ….like how, huh? :)
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Like how people know we are to be gracious and loving and exercise mercy. But when someone mentions that punching someone or being rude isn't in keeping with such principles, there is never an admission of guilt, only reasons offered why their behavior is ok in their particular situation.
 
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