Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

[Charlie_2024]

only in your eyes and they are no authority to me

Not only in my eyes but in Gods eyes also, because I'm indwelt by His Spirit.

Ok, here we go. Let me see how you deny Gods Word in this verse of scripture.

Psalms 139:7-10

If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, Even there Your hand shall lead me, And Your right hand shall hold me.

God is not a man, He is omniscient. He is everywhere and you can't deny it

 

[Burn1986]

Some are suggesting the the elect of God are only ethnic Israelis, so I had to correct them

So Charlie, are you part of the elect? What about all of us?

 

[Charlie_2024]

So if it says God relented or changed His mind, then the Bible is false? I’m amazed that you would say “I don’t care if it says it in the Bible, it’s false” Jonah 3:10. Getting caught up in “if I’m the elect or not elect” is a trap of the enemy, especially when it causes you to stumble away from the salvation message. But, if your goal is to win a purely intellectual argument about the Bible, then nothing matters.

You're theology is incoherent and biblically incorrect. So you need to deal with what God says about Himself and not what your shepherd said about Him It's very obvious your view is not consistent with biblical theology.

In Numbers 23:19 we read, “God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.” First Samuel 15:29 affirms, “He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind.” Psalm 110:4 says, “The LORD has sworn and will not change ...

You should find a teacher/shepherd who doesn't contradict what God has said. God is not pleased with false teachers, as they don't bring Him any glory and they do damage to the gospel.
Matt. 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

So I would urge you to get away from whoever is teaching you false doctrines and seek out a true shepherd, who will lead you and teach you the truth of the gospel.

 

[Charlie_2024]

So Charlie, are you part of the elect? What about all of us?

Yes, I am an Elect Saint of God. He wrote my name in the book o life, before He created the world.

I don't know you, so I can't say if you're one of Gods Elect Saints. I can judge others by their fruits and identify those who are on the road to hell and those who are saved, but my judgement is of their temporal state.

I don't know for sure who God may regenerate as they get older or who will be exposed as for making a false profession of faith. I'm not privileged to look at Gods book of life, to find out who's names are in it.

This doesn't mean that I have to treat everyone as a brother, I'm still commanded to judge everyone by their fruits. And only fellowship with those who bare the fruits of an Elect Saint of God.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

 

[Charlie_2024]

There's no point in appealing to this guys private oppinion for any guidence. He admits that he's not qualified t comment on the subject and this is only his private useless opinion.
John Calvin is a giant among Theologians, the whole world is talking about him 500 years after he died.

That dude you looked to for instruction, is a nobody. He isn't even an ordained minister so he's nothing more than a self appointed expert of nothing. He will be forgotten as soon as he dies and nobody will even know that he ever existed.

Wow, you went to the bottom of the dumpster to find a representative.

 

[John146]

There's no point in appealing to this guys private oppinion for any guidence. He admits that he's not qualified t comment on the subject and this is only his private useless opinion.
John Calvin is a giant among Theologians, the whole world is talking about him 500 years after he died.

That dude you looked to for instruction, is a nobody. He isn't even an ordained minister so he's nothing more than a self appointed expert of nothing. He will be forgotten as soon as he dies and nobody will even know that he ever existed.

Wow, you went to the bottom of the dumpster to find a representative.

John Calvin was a Roman Catholic priest who believed in baby sprinkling for regeneration and murdered those who disagreed with him. He also believed that God was the author of sin. Great theologian.

 

[PaulThomson]

The only way I can determine if a person is Reprobate, is if they blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. but I can also determine if a person is on the road to hell, by the way they live their life.

For example if someone claims to be a Christian but they live with a partner outside of marriage, that shows they are on their way to hell, because shacking up is fornication and God said fornicators would be cast into hell.

But, from your religio-philosophy, you don't know, based on what you can SEE, whether they are Calvinist-elect and just have not yet been called; or they are called Calvinist-elect and have back-slidden, but God will make sure they persevere after a period of God-decreed pandering to their flesh; or they were God-decreed to have evanescent grace only, and they were never Calvinistelect even when they looked like they were Calvinist-elect.

 

[PaulThomson]

You're theology is incoherent and biblically incorrect. So you need to deal with what God says about Himself and not what your shepherd said about Him It's very obvious your view is not consistent with biblical theology.

In Numbers 23:19 we read, “God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.” First Samuel 15:29 affirms, “He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind.” Psalm 110:4 says, “The LORD has sworn and will not change ...
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I know Calvinists are allergic to context, but Numbers 23:19 is a response to a request, from Balak, and Balaam is saying that "[IN THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHICH YOU ARE ASKING] God is not a man, that he should lie (piel imperfect) , nor a son of man, that he should change his mind (Hithpael imperfect); he has said (qal perfect) and he will do (qal imperfect).”

Likewise in 1 Sam. 15:29 "He who is the Glory of Israel is not lying (piel imperfect) or will repent (niphal imperfect); for He is not a man, to repent (niphal infinitive construct) [in this case]."

In context, these are not absolute claims about what God always does. These are about what God is willing to do in these particular cases. It is a logical fallacy to create a general rule from one or two specific instances. Especially when there are other tects in other situations in the Bible where God DOES REPENT.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I'm already safe and secure, I don't need prayers but thanks anyway

Are you sure Charly, what about when you pray for others.

It's easy to pray.

We can pray togeather.

Why was this said by God

Ezekiel 18:27

King James Version



27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

But it's still good that He does, I never mentioned heathenistic pleasure. God laughs at the reprobate, when they plead for mercy

how does he laugh Charlie

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Well, you said God does bad things to people, bad is evil

God says it unfortunate but says he has do something which he takes no pleasure in.

This is God Saying I dont like to do bad things to people, but I have to.

It's a terrible thing to to go to hell Charly it's not a good thing.

Do you want people to God to hell Charly

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

There's no point in believing in Jesus, unless you are an elect Saint of God

What's the point in believing in Jesus Charly.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

It has everything to do with TULIP, because TULIP changed the world and this thread is all about TULIP

Are you sure tulip changed the world.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Yes I'm exempt from the Arminian doctrine of Demons.

Just labels Charly just like Calvinism is a label.

What does God see when he looks at at a person

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Nope, He hasn't saved anyone for over 6000 years

are you sure Charly

Why did Jesus say unless you repent you will perish



Luke 13:1-9

New King James Version





Repent or Perish
13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had [a]mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I'm already safe and secure, I don't need prayers but thanks anyway

The lord told me to patient with you for some reason.
.he even told me to put up with criticism you have for Me too,

I don't know why he said this, but he's told me to wait and see.

I believe he's Got a message for you, its probably dependant on how you seek him I think.

 

[Burn1986]

Yes, I am an Elect Saint of God. He wrote my name in the book o life, before He created the world.

I don't know you, so I can't say if you're one of Gods Elect Saints. I can judge others by their fruits and identify those who are on the road to hell and those who are saved, but my judgement is of their temporal state.

I don't know for sure who God may regenerate as they get older or who will be exposed as for making a false profession of faith. I'm not privileged to look at Gods book of life, to find out who's names are in it.

This doesn't mean that I have to treat everyone as a brother, I'm still commanded to judge everyone by their fruits. And only fellowship with those who bare the fruits of an Elect Saint of God.

You’re commanded to judge? Jesus said “ Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged.” He said you would “know them by there fruits.” The Pharisees at the time thought very much like yourself. They thought they were commanded to judge. In fact they knew more scripture than anyone else, yet they crucified Jesus.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Elect is never in the context of salvation. Jesus is elect. There are elect angels. Were Jesus and the angels chosen to be saved?

So you are saying that the second coming of Christ to gather his elect is not in the context of salvation?

 

[John146]

So you are saying that the second coming of Christ to gather his elect is not in the context of salvation?

The elect are chosen servants during the time of Jacob's trouble. They will be gathered to be spared from the Lord's wrath on the earth.