I decided I cannot let this slide. Quit flattering yourself already! For you have made no case. I called you out on who it is that God loves and it's not sinners because the "us" in Rom 5:8 is referring to the saints who are the recipients of Paul's letter (1:7), and the verb tenses in 5:8 differ as well. In v. 8 God presently demonstrates his love toward his saints. The text plainly does NOT say that God loved us when we WERE sinners. His use of the present tense proves conclusively that God loves his elect ETERNALLY [in Christ] -- which means only NOW -- Presently without end.
Inspired scripture does not agree with you. Ignore at your own peril
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; Romans 3:10
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. Romans 5:10
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. I John 2:2
and Isaiah
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Isaiah 55:7
so it seems the wicked can do a 180 regardless of total depravity...which is a ridiculous assertion since God made us in His image and the INSPIRED Psalmist declares that only the FOOL has said in his heart there is not God
Rufus, the problem is YOU deciding.