Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Rufus said:
The only "point" you made is the one on top of your head. :rolleyes: Where is election or eternity mentioned in Mal 1:2-3?
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2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say: 'Wherein hast Thou loved us?' Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD; yet I loved Jacob;

God "chose" to love Jacob, that's election.
 
selahsays said:
Jacob was elected; Esau was not.
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you know, if we take your understanding of election in that the elect came into the world 'elect, (no choice in salvation), and add to that your reflections Jacob and Esau....one might ask the question why, according to the election process, Esau is included

Perhaps God knows what will happen before it does. As the Creator of the cosmos, it seems He would know such things :unsure:
 
Magenta said:
You claimed God does not and cannot love sinners, then denied saying such after I was making a case for how He did, so yes, your question was very deceitful.
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I denied saying it in the sense that it's some theory I made up in my head. Unlike many here, I get my theology straight from the Source, which is why I said that it's a teaching of scripture. So, Ms. Evader, do you deny this biblical teaching that God hates sinners?
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
Does God predestine people to be saved first
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Ephesians 1:4...He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world...
The "us" spoken of there is the...whom He did foreknow...of Romans 8:29, who are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.
 
selahsays said:
It doesn’t matter, though, what you perceive or do not understand. That’s why we study His Word. The Bible is inspired, and God is the author. Right?
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Look ~ make up your mind then. ;)

Why study if you are not going to understand it?

Thing is though, while the Rabbis decided to no longer include Isaiah as part of their studies or teachings, they are actually reflections on so much of Christianity today. see my post 4217 regarding Rabbis

You don't have to keep repeating that the Bible is inspired or that you believe all of it.
 
FollowerofShiloh said:
There's a difference between what God says and what we know is hyperbole.

Hyperbole in the Bible

We do not communicate using explicit, factual language to make our points. What I'm getting at is the reality that the Bible makes extensive use of idiom and hyperbole. Hyperbole is the employment of exaggerative language to emphasize a point. Idiom is biblical "slang" if you will.

Jul 2, 2019 — Paul is using hyperbole, exaggeration, it illustrates the importance of getting his point across.
So, it's not fully inspired but a method Paul uses.
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So...which verses in the Bible aren't inspired? Who decides?
 
Niki7 said:
Look ~ make up your mind then. ;)

Why study if you are not going to understand it?

Thing is though, while the Rabbis decided to no longer include Isaiah as part of their studies or teachings, they are actually reflections on so much of Christianity today. see my post 4217 regarding Rabbis

You don't have to keep repeating that the Bible is inspired or that you believe all of it.
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So you don’t believe the Bible then? You don’t study it?
 
Niki7 said:
The ones where Paul states it is his own opinion and God did not tell him to write what he then writes?

Come on. You know that is in the Bible :)
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Not sure you understand inspiration. Are you saying there are verses in the Bible that are not the inspired words of God?
 
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Magenta said:
You claimed God does not and cannot love sinners, then denied saying such after I was making a case for how He did, so yes, your question was very deceitful.
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I decided I cannot let this slide. Quit flattering yourself already! For you have made no case. I called you out on who it is that God loves and it's not sinners because the "us" in Rom 5:8 is referring to the saints who are the recipients of Paul's letter (1:7), and the verb tenses in 5:8 differ as well. In v. 8 God presently demonstrates his love toward his saints. The text plainly does NOT say that God loved us when we WERE sinners. His use of the present tense proves conclusively that God loves his elect ETERNALLY [in Christ] -- which means only NOW -- Presently without end.
 
selahsays said:
Well, what else should I gather from your previous post then? It seems you like baiting old folks like me.:D
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I'm not you but I know I would have taken things different. I based my response at least half on what you said here

It doesn’t matter, though, what you perceive or do not understand
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I don't know how old you are.
 
Rufus said:
I decided I cannot let this slide. Quit flattering yourself already! For you have made no case. I called you out on who it is that God loves and it's not sinners because the "us" in Rom 5:8 is referring to the saints who are the recipients of Paul's letter (1:7), and the verb tenses in 5:8 differ as well. In v. 8 God presently demonstrates his love toward his saints. The text plainly does NOT say that God loved us when we WERE sinners. His use of the present tense proves conclusively that God loves his elect ETERNALLY [in Christ] -- which means only NOW -- Presently without end.
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As if one sinner is different than another sinner.
You've gone mad.
 
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