Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

[Magenta]

Then people who have no idea of things you have said and how you have behaved come along and pat you on the back, garnering your praise while you hide behind your virtue signaling, having used your education as a cudgel and excuse to mock and scoff at others. I doubt your classmates behaved in like manner given your glowing reports of them. @HeIsHere

 

[Sculpt]

But where is the evidence you’re claiming to have?

Any logical explanation needs premises that are factual. If they’re not the conclusion will be flawed.

It would be really helpful if you provided evidence for the back room deals you are mentioning in your ending paragraph.

HeIsHere can certainly provide historical sources. But let me add this historical information is bountiful and at your fingertips, namely websites and youtube, but also certainly books and periodicals as well. I've researched the history over the last 30+ years from a hundred different sources, and I can tell you there isn't disagreement on the historical facts, of let's say, the last 110 years of history (starting from WWI) of the Palestine/Israel conflict. People have different angles on the info, but it's the same info.

You can pick your own sources, and them check that info against the next source, and you'll see what I mean. The Sykes-Picot Agreement and the Balfour Declaration is a great place to start. I'll just post the last one I happened to listen to, and it's the same as the previous 20 some other sources I reviewed

I'm often surprised, here, at the callous nature people have on these issues (I don't mean you). Viewing people as objects instead of people in the image of God. They seem ignorant of the basic history. And so they don't seem to acknowledge all the very different things that have the name Israel. They don't seem to know there's christians there, that 49% the population of the state of Israel self-declare themselves as secular, they don't know the 4-level ID system, etc. We should be lifting Messiah, dignity, righteousness, justice, solution, peace and the 'least of these' regardless of borders. Mat 10:16 Yeshua said, "Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." Where is the shrewdness?

 

[HeIsHere]

Respect to Tucker Carlson and his courage.

……If you wake up in the morning and decide that your Christian faith requires you to support a foreign government blowing up churches and killing Christians, I think you've lost the thread

just to end on this if you had a message for Christian leaders in the United States whether in government or in churches or just citizens who care about the religion and their fellow Christians what would it be it would be to remind them that when the state of Israel was created it was not created on an empty land it was created on a land that had millions of indigenous
Palestinians there including Palestinian Christians and that that state they
support that state they celebrated as a fulfillment of Prophecy and a sign of
God's to the Jewish people for it to become a state hundreds of thousands of Palestinians including Palestinian Christians were forced to leave and have never returned churches were
closed a friend of mine did a research and counted more than 30 churches that were closed when Israel was created because Palestinians were expelled from the land our numbers continue to be
in Decline so we're pleading that come and listen come and talk to us and my message to Christian leaders right now is there is a very, very brutal War taking place in Gaza a war that I described using the word genocide because it's a war that has used even used
starvation as a means and fellow Christians are suffering ….


Tucker Carlson Uncensored

 

[Clayman]

I'm not defending Hamas murderers either.

Do you want the war to stop and for there to be peace.

Actually, I want real peace not a pretend peace.

 

[Clayman]

Respect to Tucker Carlson and his courage.



……If you wake up in the morning and decide that your Christian faith requires you to support a foreign government blowing up churches and killing Christians, I think you've lost the thread

just to end on this if you had a message for Christian leaders in the United States whether in government or in churches or just citizens who care about the religion and their fellow Christians what would it be it would be to remind them that when the state of Israel was created it was not created on an empty land it was created on a land that had millions of indigenous
Palestinians there including Palestinian Christians and that that state they
support that state they celebrated as a fulfillment of Prophecy and a sign of
God's to the Jewish people for it to become a state hundreds of thousands of Palestinians including Palestinian Christians were forced to leave and have never returned churches were
closed a friend of mine did a research and counted more than 30 churches that were closed when Israel was created because Palestinians were expelled from the land our numbers continue to be
in Decline so we're pleading that come and listen come and talk to us and my message to Christian leaders right now is there is a very, very brutal War taking place in Gaza a war that I described using the word genocide because it's a war that has used even used
starvation as a means and fellow Christians are suffering ….


Tucker Carlson Uncensored

But it is prophecy that the world will turn against Israel, that the Antichrist will stand in the temple, yes that means there will be a temple or the bible is wrong and untrustworthy, obviously if a temple is built it will not be by Christians but the Lord will return to destroy those gathered against Israel(Armageddon, after Israel go through extreme tribulation and come to a place of repentance) I for one know who the victor is going to be, so naturally I'm not going to support those who I know are going to be on the losing side, I mean If we have the inside running and know which team is going to win in an event and it's a sure bet, why bet on the losing team?

it was not created on an empty land it was created on a land that had millions of indigenous
Palestinians

Jews have lived along with the Arabs in Israel or Palestine if you want to call it that, even the in the crusades both Jews and Arabs were killed, why are people trying to rewrite history? More Jews also migrated during ww1 and ww2 but so did Arabs who could see the sparse land and sparse population becoming 95% Jewish so it was done as a counter move.

Personally I think If God gathers the Jews back to the land and starts fulfilling prophecy to bring in the Messianic kingdom, it would show another later prophet and major religion to be wrong, so opposition has and will be intense even to the point of people willing to die or martyr themselves for their own cause.

Which is why the PLO and others have always denied peace and the two state proposals, and oppose the right for Israel to exist, to prove their prophet and god is the true god.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Actually, I want real peace not a pretend peace.

Well the only way that would work is to put Isreal under marshal law.

Lock netanyahu up and put a government in Isreal who are not evil.

And give the Palestinians there freedom. Along with giving them there state back that they gained by brutally murdering them the same way they are now.

 

[Gideon300]

facts Isreal have been charged with genocide.

Facts people don't get charged with genocide unless there is a case to answer.

What world do you live in? The laws of the world are often used by those with a political agenda to push. South Africa? How about they fix their own problems before finger pointing and hand wring about what goes on elsewhere.

You could easily accuse America of genocide in Afghanistan. America deserted Afghanistan and left millions at the mercy of a brutal regime. Look at the mess they left in Iraq and Libya. How many deaths are American governments responsible for?

Israel is an easy target for the God hating nations of the world. Nothing new about that. Jews thought that they could escape violence by leaving their homelands and starting afresh in Israel. Satan has other plans.

Finally, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel. Come to think of it, the USA has not signed up either.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

What world do you live in? The laws of the world are often used by those with a political agenda to push. South Africa? How about they fix their own problems before finger pointing and hand wring about what goes on elsewhere.

You could easily accuse America of genocide in Afghanistan. America deserted Afghanistan and left millions at the mercy of a brutal regime. Look at the mess they left in Iraq and Libya. How many deaths are American governments responsible for?

Israel is an easy target for the God hating nations of the world. Nothing new about that. Jews thought that they could escape violence by leaving their homelands and starting afresh in Israel. Satan has other plans.

Finally, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel. Come to think of it, the USA has not signed up either.

I live in a world where 15 out of 16 international Judges found sufficient evidence to charge Israel with genocide.

Obviously you must of been on mars at the time

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

What world do you live in? The laws of the world are often used by those with a political agenda to push. South Africa? How about they fix their own problems before finger pointing and hand wring about what goes on elsewhere.

You could easily accuse America of genocide in Afghanistan. America deserted Afghanistan and left millions at the mercy of a brutal regime. Look at the mess they left in Iraq and Libya. How many deaths are American governments responsible for?

Israel is an easy target for the God hating nations of the world. Nothing new about that. Jews thought that they could escape violence by leaving their homelands and starting afresh in Israel. Satan has other plans.

Finally, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel. Come to think of it, the USA has not signed up either.

The discussion is about this war.

I'm not interested in any other war.

 

[Gideon300]

I live in a world where 15 out of 16 international Judges found sufficient evidence to charge Israel with genocide.

Obviously you must of been on mars at the time

"Found evidence". Judges who are already biased. Of course, no judge has convicted an innocent person on unsubstantiated evidence. No one executed by China, Iran or the US has later been found to be innocent. No one has ever been found guilty because of racial bias. Well, not on Mars, anyway.

As someone else said, if Israel was planning genocide, they are doing a lousy job. How come Hamas is not being tried? They are the ones who use schools, hospitals, mosques etc. as military establishments. Hamas is using civilians as human shields. Hamas abducted civilians from Israel. Hamas has no respect for human life whatsoever.

Israel has the ability to turn the whole of Gaza into a cemetery. You think that any other nation would allow a group like Hamas get away with mass murder? Your criticism is illogical and unreasonable.

 

[Gideon300]

The discussion is about this war.

I'm not interested in any other war.

You should be. In legal terms, it is called precedent.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

"Found evidence". Judges who are already biased. Of course, no judge has convicted an innocent person on unsubstantiated evidence. No one executed by China, Iran or the US has later been found to be innocent. No one has ever been found guilty because of racial bias. Well, not on Mars, anyway.

As someone else said, if Israel was planning genocide, they are doing a lousy job. How come Hamas is not being tried? They are the ones who use schools, hospitals, mosques etc. as military establishments. Hamas is using civilians as human shields. Hamas abducted civilians from Israel. Hamas has no respect for human life whatsoever.

Israel has the ability to turn the whole of Gaza into a cemetery. You think that any other nation would allow a group like Hamas get away with mass murder? Your criticism is illogical and unreasonable.

Biased that's a laugh.

Are you just relying on Isreal for your beliefs

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

How come Hamas is not being tried?

probably because they would rather kill them

 

[HeIsHere]

You should be. In legal terms, it is called precedent.

In international law, there are no legal binding precedents, that only applies to domestic law.

 

[HeIsHere]

International Law is a farce and a joke. If it had any reality, every terrorists would be arrested and executed. Terrorism is more than unlawful, so where are the people who should be dealing with it?

No Israel is not the one to be blamed (although recently the IDF has made some serious blunders which should never have happened). Once again, all other factors have no relevance (as I already told you). October 7 was an UNPROVOKED attack and now Israel must deal with Hamas (and then Iran). And since Hamas declared war on Israel, and uses Palestinian civilians and children as human shields, the innocent will perish for nothing. Hamas steals food from Palestinians receiving food aid. How much worse can it get?

Shia Iran hates Israel therefore it sabotaged the peace negotiations which Israel was having with Sunni Saudi Arabia (possibly other Sunni Arab countries later so that war could be avoided). Therefore Iran trained, funded, armed and encouraged Hamas to wage all out war against Israel. These facts conveniently get neglected, since now the whole world is pro-terrorists and anti-Israel.

I meant to respond here. Uggh can't believe I did that.

International Law and its Conventions has helped provide a some stability in this world but obviously the USA no longer supports them due to their bigger agenda.

Israel broke the Vienna Convention in very obvious attempt to draw Iran and the USA into a wider war.
Iran much like Russia has demonstrated a great deal of restraint against US imperialistic maneuvers.

No they were not serious blunders there are part of their AI program "Daddy's Home" and the Lavendar Program" which is designed to target alleged enemy combatants when they are home with their families which explodes the notion of human shields.

Why because there are no innocents to the IDF this was started as an ethnic cleansing campaign and it continues to be so.

Now we have US intelligence warning that an imminent attack is expected shortly by Iran or its proxies.

And all this could have been avoided is the reality, except for the donor and political class who have stood in the way, some of whom have amassed a tremendous amount of wealth from the suffering of the common people

 

[HeIsHere]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1779269993043022053

Reports are Israel did not clear its Damascus strike with the US.
Here we go down an unprecedented path.

A lot of people will be losing their lives.

 

[HeIsHere]

That baby will happily kill israeli citizens on any day of the week and twice on friday.

Do you have a source for this?

When did the blinding stop?

In the first century.

 

[Slimsumo]

Do you have a source for this?



In the first century.

First century? The temple was destroyed that wasn't a coming to faith at all.

Source? They HATE the state of Israel and the Jews, and of course someone who is raised like that will assimilate to their satanic religion. Muslims commit constnat terrorist attacks worldwide, they are like a plague on this earth. Why defend them?

 

[Moses_Young]

First century? The temple was destroyed that wasn't a coming to faith at all.

Source? Have you ever spoken to muslims? Have you ever read the Quran, Hadith? Watched any of their preachers or even news shows. They HATE the state of Israel and the Jews, and of course someone who is raised like that will assimilate to their satanic religion

The same applies the other way. It seems there is a breed of Rothschild Zionist which considers Palestinians and certain other people to be animals, and will murder such people using this as justification. Any religion that teaches salvation other than believing on Christ Jesus alone is a satanic deception.

 

[HeIsHere]

The same applies the other way. It seems there is a breed of Rothschild Zionist which considers Palestinians and certain other people to be animals, and will murder such people using this as justification. Any religion that teaches salvation other than believing on Christ Jesus alone is a satanic deception.

Jews are blinded for a time = they cannot be held accountable this is part of God's plan

At some point this Scofield/Darby/Rothschild deception will die because it will be unfulfilled because it is not from God, however I pray it is sooner rather than later. It is terrible to watch in real time the ramifications of this lie unfold.

I know that one can agree with part of a post, but to put an agree on a post where babies are murders just because they are Palestinian is........ I do not even have the words.

Isn't that similar to the thinking of the Third Reich.