Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

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HeIsHere

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Only a small part of Israeli troops remained in the zone between northern and southern Gaza.It is said that a regiment's strength.
I have lost a bit of touch with what has been happening with this war over and the larger regional conflict the past week or so, I need to get caught up, but it seems Israel's plan was to take Northern Gaza from the Palestinians.

They have already reduced it to rubble to forced out the majority of Palestinians. The remaining Palestinians live there can be absorbed into Israel population without making much difference politically.

I also wonder if they need the troops elsewhere or it may be the international pressure.
Time will tell.
 
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I have lost a bit of touch with what has been happening with this war over and the larger regional conflict the past week or so, I need to get caught up, but it seems Israel's plan was to take Northern Gaza from the Palestinians.

They have already reduced it to rubble to forced out the majority of Palestinians. The remaining Palestinians live there can be absorbed into Israel population without making much difference politically.

I also wonder if they need the troops elsewhere or it may be the international pressure.
Time will tell.
【On April 6, for the first time in months, large quantities of fuel, medicine and food entered northern Gaza -Bilibili】 https://b23.tv/vOcLEG0
 
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I think I will wait and see on the veracity of this.
Yes maybe, hopefully 2 days at most before complete cease fire, but then maybe not.

Then you'll see biden claiming the glory on TV

And also the UK prime minister.

But what you won't see is Satan congratulating all three leaders including biden Richy sunak and netanyahu on a shedding of innocence job well done.
 

HeIsHere

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Yes maybe, hopefully 2 days at most before complete cease fire, but then maybe not.

Then you'll see biden claiming the glory on TV

And also the UK prime minister.

But what you won't see is Satan congratulating all three leaders including biden Richy sunak and netanyahu on a shedding of innocence job well done.
Sad but true.
 
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it is terrible what's going on.

It's the worst thing I've ever witnessed.

I've witnessed the whole war for 6 months from a none biased news companies, the truth that nobody witnesses in USA or UK.

The stories that have unfolded is the question if worse thing I've ever witnessed
 

HeIsHere

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it is terrible what's going on.

It's the worst thing I've ever witnessed.

I've witnessed the whole war for 6 months from a none biased news companies, the truth that nobody witnesses in USA or UK.

The stories that have unfolded is the question if worse thing I've ever witnessed
When "countries" have nuclear arsenals things get very worrisome but is also gives them a lot of power to act without impunity.

I hope some leader somewhere can force a ceasefire because children are suffering.
 

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Latest news, extremely important

Isreal in shock as USA and UK threaten to end ties with Isreal.
And stop the sales of arms to Isreal

People have short memories. Anyone recall a US attack on civilians in Afghanistan? How about the invading US, UK and Australian forces pulling out of Afghanistan and leaving millions of Afghans to suffer under the Taliban. And which of the aforementioned nations shares a border with Afghanistan? Ah, but Afghanistan is not Israel, so that excuses everything.

How about Iraq? The British were attacked by American aircraft 18 times. Perhaps the British should quit supporting America. Who needs enemies with friends like that? I could go on. I won't. The hypocrisy over the war in Gaza is breathtaking. I'd expect it from Arab and majority Muslim countries, but supposed supporters of Israel?
 
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People have short memories. Anyone recall a US attack on civilians in Afghanistan? How about the invading US, UK and Australian forces pulling out of Afghanistan and leaving millions of Afghans to suffer under the Taliban. And which of the aforementioned nations shares a border with Afghanistan? Ah, but Afghanistan is not Israel, so that excuses everything.

How about Iraq? The British were attacked by American aircraft 18 times. Perhaps the British should quit supporting America. Who needs enemies with friends like that? I could go on. I won't. The hypocrisy over the war in Gaza is breathtaking. I'd expect it from Arab and majority Muslim countries, but supposed supporters of Israel?
facts Isreal have been charged with genocide.

Facts people don't get charged with genocide unless there is a case to answer.
 
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When "countries" have nuclear arsenals things get very worrisome but is also gives them a lot of power to act without impunity.

I hope some leader somewhere can force a ceasefire because children are suffering.
yes me too.

But heres the things people have been calling for the war to continue which is the justification of publicly allowing children to be killed.
 

HeIsHere

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People have short memories. Anyone recall a US attack on civilians in Afghanistan? How about the invading US, UK and Australian forces pulling out of Afghanistan and leaving millions of Afghans to suffer under the Taliban. And which of the aforementioned nations shares a border with Afghanistan? Ah, but Afghanistan is not Israel, so that excuses everything.

How about Iraq? The British were attacked by American aircraft 18 times. Perhaps the British should quit supporting America. Who needs enemies with friends like that? I could go on. I won't. The hypocrisy over the war in Gaza is breathtaking. I'd expect it from Arab and majority Muslim countries, but supposed supporters of Israel?
What?
 

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facts Isreal have been charged with genocide.

Facts people don't get charged with genocide unless there is a case to answer.
It seems people think People are innocent until proven guilty, except for Israel they must be guilty.

If Israel's plan is to commit genocide on the populace of Gaza then they are terribly inadequate at executing their agenda.

Israel have weaponry that can take out Gazans by the tens of thousands at a time, yet have been totally inaccurate or unsuccessful at killing any serious numbers of civilians. All this when Hamas are trying to help them by placing civilians in between them as human shields, surly cowering behind civilian's trying to get them in the line of fire as Hamas do while holding hostages and firing rockets indiscriminately at Israel would cause more civilian casualties than has been the case. Maybe its the use of precision weapons by Israel, that mean less civilian casualties. Which shows the intent by Israel is the opposite to genocide.

Also who commits the act of genocide against a people by feeding them, does having well fed people running around Gaza make them easier targets? No other nation would feed civilian populaces of their enemies!

Hamas have reported 30 to 35 thousand deaths in Gaza (remember in 2009 the reporting by Hamas of casualties so not the best track record of accurate reporting) I presume that most of the deaths would have to be Hamas fighters, so comparing the conflict to other conflicts around the world, Israel would on paper be the most civilian minded people in the world, yet when it comes to Israel, logic will never be used as prejudice's will always win the day.
 
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It seems people think People are innocent until proven guilty, except for Israel they must be guilty.

If Israel's plan is to commit genocide on the populace of Gaza then they are terribly inadequate at executing their agenda.

Israel have weaponry that can take out Gazans by the tens of thousands at a time, yet have been totally inaccurate or unsuccessful at killing any serious numbers of civilians. All this when Hamas are trying to help them by placing civilians in between them as human shields, surly cowering behind civilian's trying to get them in the line of fire as Hamas do while holding hostages and firing rockets indiscriminately at Israel would cause more civilian casualties than has been the case. Maybe its the use of precision weapons by Israel, that mean less civilian casualties. Which shows the intent by Israel is the opposite to genocide.

Also who commits the act of genocide against a people by feeding them, does having well fed people running around Gaza make them easier targets? No other nation would feed civilian populaces of their enemies!

Hamas have reported 30 to 35 thousand deaths in Gaza (remember in 2009 the reporting by Hamas of casualties so not the best track record of accurate reporting) I presume that most of the deaths would have to be Hamas fighters, so comparing the conflict to other conflicts around the world, Israel would on paper be the most civilian minded people in the world, yet when it comes to Israel, logic will never be used as prejudice's will always win the day.
no there guilty for sure. Indiscriminate killing it's called.

Guilty as charged.
 
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It seems people think People are innocent until proven guilty, except for Israel they must be guilty.

If Israel's plan is to commit genocide on the populace of Gaza then they are terribly inadequate at executing their agenda.

Israel have weaponry that can take out Gazans by the tens of thousands at a time, yet have been totally inaccurate or unsuccessful at killing any serious numbers of civilians. All this when Hamas are trying to help them by placing civilians in between them as human shields, surly cowering behind civilian's trying to get them in the line of fire as Hamas do while holding hostages and firing rockets indiscriminately at Israel would cause more civilian casualties than has been the case. Maybe its the use of precision weapons by Israel, that mean less civilian casualties. Which shows the intent by Israel is the opposite to genocide.

Also who commits the act of genocide against a people by feeding them, does having well fed people running around Gaza make them easier targets? No other nation would feed civilian populaces of their enemies!

Hamas have reported 30 to 35 thousand deaths in Gaza (remember in 2009 the reporting by Hamas of casualties so not the best track record of accurate reporting) I presume that most of the deaths would have to be Hamas fighters, so comparing the conflict to other conflicts around the world, Israel would on paper be the most civilian minded people in the world, yet when it comes to Israel, logic will never be used as prejudice's will always win the day.
I ain't interested in protecting murderers sorry
 

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HeIsHere

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Ha! I suspected this since that one started harassing you about it. Commies and their ilk are always complaining that those who defeat their arguments have no credentials, and then when one shows these credentials, trying to find some other ways to discredit those.

Your education really does show in your well-reasoned and detailed arguments and posts. I, like several others, mistook you for a man until you said otherwise, simply because of the thoroughness of your responses (and because you don't seem to respond with angry and emotional posts - which is more than I can say for some of the men on this thread - (how much more many of the women!) - trying to justify Israel's war against civilians).
@Moses_Young

Absolutely toxic thread.
I am feeling adverse to posting there any more.

Thank you for the kind words. I do think a strong father who absolutely gave strong guidance helped temper the overly emotional dramatic dare I say "irrational" side, lol, that some women possess.

I think, I was also very fortunate to go to University at a time when dialogue, critically thinking and debate were encouraged. We did not shun each other we always tried to apply reason/law to the facts.
Certainly we can be impassioned but that is different then employing emotion while still learning which will only skew and bias your position, the passion for justice comes after we have realized the facts of the case.

There were no accusations of lying, or being a hypocrite it was always just rebuttal with further evidence and logic.

Agree, to some degree, credentials are important there is certainly a depth of knowledge and skills that are acquired over time in a formalized setting if you apply yourself, but you have done well :) and others on here so it is possible to see the full picture if one wants to.

Anyone who starts at the beginning of this conflict is left with irrefutable evidence of who the bad actors were, not sure why Christians would be defending what are the documented, historical imperialistic acts of Sykes, Picot, Rothschild, Lord Balfour and their unjust back room deals, etc., totally baffling.

I am very thankful you see it! :)
 

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@Moses_Young

Absolutely toxic thread.
I am feeling adverse to posting there any more.

Thank you for the kind words. I do think a strong father who absolutely gave strong guidance helped temper the overly emotional dramatic dare I say "irrational" side, lol, that some women possess.

I think, I was also very fortunate to go to University at a time when dialogue, critically thinking and debate were encouraged. We did not shun each other we always tried to apply reason/law to the facts.
Certainly we can be impassioned but that is different then employing emotion while still learning which will only skew and bias your position, the passion for justice comes after we have realized the facts of the case.

There were no accusations of lying, or being a hypocrite it was always just rebuttal with further evidence and logic.

Agree, to some degree, credentials are important there is certainly a depth of knowledge and skills that are acquired over time in a formalized setting if you apply yourself, but you have done well :) and others on here so it is possible to see the full picture if one wants to.

Anyone who starts at the beginning of this conflict is left with irrefutable evidence of who the bad actors were, not sure why Christians would be defending what are the documented, historical imperialistic acts of Sykes, Picot, Rothschild, Lord Balfour and their unjust back room deals, etc., totally baffling.

I am very thankful you see it! :)
But where is the evidence you’re claiming to have?

Any logical explanation needs premises that are factual. If they’re not the conclusion will be flawed.

It would be really helpful if you provided evidence for the back room deals you are mentioning in your ending paragraph.