Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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MerSee

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Do you know what the answer to people sinning is?

God provided an answer because He is love.

What is that answer. Do you know?
Roman 4:4
Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt.
 
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Niki7

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Roman 4:4
Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt.
Do you know what the answer to people sinning is?

God provided an answer because He is love.

What is that answer. Do you know?
 

MerSee

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Do you know what the answer to people sinning is?

God provided an answer because He is love.

What is that answer. Do you know?
Most of them die in unbelief and their answer is hell.
 

MerSee

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Do you know what the answer to people sinning is?

God provided an answer because He is love.

What is that answer. Do you know?
Correct Christian belief is the answer.

Only true Christian believers can ever be born-again.
 
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Niki7

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Most of them die in unbelief and their answer is hell.
Well since you do not seem able to answer and provide hell and damnation as a response to God's provision for our sin, I guess I will
have to answer

16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and onlye Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3

so whoever told you that God does not want to save people rather than sent them to hell is wrong

I directly quoted scripture so you can accept it or deny it.
 

Rufus

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RUFUS: why are you quoting me but rendering it as though you stated it? Fix this in the future please because it is a false representation of the conversation
As me politely and maybe I'll consider it. :unsure:

Oh I've seen that type of understanding before. So you blame God when you sin? Of course when you are locked into the 'elect' of Calvin mindset, rather than the biblical 'elect', that can occur.
Don't blame me for your perverse interpretation of Phil 2:12. That's YOUR takeaway of the passage, not mine.

Apart from that, what bearing does your response have on the positionally righteous standing we have with God that you even admitted to yourself?
Explained this already. You don't mind if I borrow a sentence from you, do you? I can't help you.
 

MerSee

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Well since you do not seem able to answer and provide hell and damnation as a response to God's provision for our sin, I guess I will
have to answer

16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and onlye Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3

so whoever told you that God does not want to save people rather than sent them to hell is wrong

I directly quoted scripture so you can accept it or deny it.
Jesus died for the elect.
 
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Niki7

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Correct Christian belief is the answer.

Only true Christian believers can ever be born-again.
Actually, and I am sorry, but this is not correct. The only correct and biblical answer is through Christ. His blood cleanses us from all sin.

Further, God is the judge. Not your pastor, friend, or anyone else.

Jesus died for the elect
Jesus died for sinners. No one has come into this world without sin.
 

MerSee

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Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
 

MerSee

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Actually, and I am sorry, but this is not correct. The only correct and biblical answer is through Christ. His blood cleanses us from all sin.

Further, God is the judge. Not your pastor, friend, or anyone else.



Jesus died for sinners. No one has come into this world without sin.
Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
 
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Niki7

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Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
Jesus died for sinners. Yelling at someone does not change that fact.

16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and onlye Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3
 
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Niki7

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Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
Every saved person's name is in that book. Whoever told you otherwise, does not believe scripture. You don't have to be upset.

Simply believe what the Bible actually states

Jesus died for sinners. Paul said he was the chief of sinners. Do you think he was saved?
 

MerSee

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Jesus died for sinners. Yelling at someone does not change that fact.

16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and onlye Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3

Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
 

MerSee

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Every saved person's name is in that book. Whoever told you otherwise, does not believe scripture. You don't have to be upset.

Simply believe what the Bible actually states

Jesus died for sinners. Paul said he was the chief of sinners. Do you think he was saved?
Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
 
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Niki7

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As me politely and maybe I'll consider it. :unsure:



Don't blame me for your perverse interpretation of Phil 2:12. That's YOUR takeaway of the passage, not mine.



Explained this already. You don't mind if I borrow a sentence from you, do you? I can't help you.

uh huh. well following is the post you responded to. it's really not that difficult to understand

The Bible never addresses believers in Christ as sinners. Sadly, this is an all too popular understanding of the fact that as a Christian we will still sin.

BUT unlike those without Christ, our sins are forgiven. Some have the idea that every time we might sin, we must be re-saved. Some believe that what the flesh does, is not of importance. Some think they still have to obey the 10 commandments. Some believe the Bible calls Christians sinners but it does NOT.

16From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;
19that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
21For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
 

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Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
If I may, Paul was one of those chosen and elected by God before the foundation of the world. But God, in this age, had to remind Paul of it on that road to Damascus, and remind him, He did. The way I understand it, every elect person has a destiny (a special job to do for God), and God will always intercede in the lives of His elect. God actually had to knock Paul to the ground and have a little conversation with him. Yeah, Paul was a chosen vessel for sure!
 

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All the passage is teaching is that the general disposition of God's heart is that he'd "prefer" or "rather have" or "wish" all men to be saved. But that is a far cry from him decreeing "that all men" be saved. Verse 4 does not read, " who predestines or predestined all people to be saved", does it?

I'm going to post the verses again for reference:

1 Timothy 2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

Not only did God want/desire to offer salvation to all people, He actually DID provide it through Jesus Christ.

I don't know where you got the idea that God decreed that all men be saved though? No one but you are talking about that. God offers salvation to everyone, but He also knows not everyone will take it.


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Jesus Died on the cross for the Just/Elect/Saved whose names are written in the book of life.
Do you have the Bible reference for that? I can't find it. Probably because it is not actually in the Bible :unsure:

This is what the Bible actually states:

8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

11It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” 12For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news