I wrote a Letter to my Free Will

[2ndTimothyGroup]

well from what I can see the church never teaches or it has understood in full by all.

Is that a man is born with a spiritual nature that is still alive, but not alive to life, but alive to death.

Also what the church has failed to teach is that spiritual nature is also his human nature.

Yeah, I don't see it that way, otherwise Jesus was corrupt in His Human Nature. That isn't possible. The Human Nature is that of a servant, of which Jesus called Himself.

 

[Niki7]

No. I thought I chose Christ when I was a little boy. However, my lifestyle as an adult proved that I was not saved. It wasn't until the Lord found me in the Arizona desert and Powerfully Circumcised my heart and Filled me with the Indwelling Holy Spirit. I did not choose God. He chose me, even though I was a liar as a little boy. I never believed it, for immediately after my baptism, I was sad that my father didn't baptize me as he did my older brother, so with my hair still wet from my Baptism, I stole a bag of rubber bands from 7-11.

My whole life, though, I was allowed to believe that I was saved, when there was absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY that I was. After my experience with God, I took to the Bible to find out what happened to me. The Bible explained it all, and at this point in nearly fifty years of living, I was upset to find out that there is a complete subset of Scripture that the church does not teach.

Have a great day!

Well that's kind of sad.

I was saved at the age of 5 and I knew I was saved even then. I was baptized at 13 (I believe or possibly 14) and received the infilling of the Holy Spirit at 18. I have had a very bumpy ride even so but God has protected and made my salvation sure.

I particularly appreciate what Paul says here:

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾
Walking by the Spirit
(Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
God Works in All Things
(Ephesians 1:3–14)
28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
More than Conquerors
(Psalm 44:1–26)
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For Your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Oh believe me, a person can walk away from God and often enough because of those who are so sure they are wonderful Christians.

But God knows the heart and not one single 'sheep' will be lost. He does deliberately and with great purpose bring even the little black sheep back to the sheepfold.

 

[PaulThomson]

None of them are. Only the originals and even they have discrepancies.

So, we are free to pick the translation that we like best and very theory based on any translation is correct?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Resurrection would be the actual deed in English. The promise for the afterlife is thus, if you do wickedly you will still live in Hell.

Jesus used the specific word ἀνάστασις, which means resurrection.

 

[7thMoon]

That is not how the text reads. When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was
desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it.

Notice the verb is sequential. It is future tense and not complete. When she will see the fruit and will eat it??

 

[Niki7]

I am just truly sorry we cannot somehow continue to talk about Jesus and His gospel and must always go back to quibbling about things that have no bearing on the gospel. Oh sure we can illustrate, compare and even disagree.

I would say 'the time is short' but that is cliche these days and I really do not know what time it is other than the time to believe NOW

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

So, we are free to pick the translation that we like best and very theory based on any translation is correct?

The Torah hasn't been changed in 4,500 years and the scribes have kept perfect record of it and the Tanakh. The New Testament is the issue.

 

[7thMoon]

Jesus used the specific word ἀνάστασις, which means resurrection.

It means to prop up. It is also about, excuse the pun, raising kids. ειγερω is more specific and important.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

It means to prop up. It is also about, excuse the pun, raising kids. ειγερω is more specific and important.

It means to rise up. You are dead and then rise up from being dead.

 

[7thMoon]

The Torah hasn't been changed in 4,500 years and the scribes have kept perfect record of it and the Tanakh. The New Testament is the issue.

I doubt that. Besides the most important credential of the virgin birth is not in it.

 

[Niki7]

20For when you were slaves to sin, you were free of obligation to righteousness. 21What fruit did you reap at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? The outcome of those things is death. 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6

Cannot do more other than pray.

 

[7thMoon]

It means to rise up. You are dead and then rise up from being dead.

Actually εκ out of or beyond. It needs the preposition. ειγερω doesn't.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I doubt that. Besides the most important credential of the virgin birth is not in it.

You can doubt but in every synagogue and Temple the Toah/Tanakh was there. And even in the 70 AD Temple destruction every synagogue had the "same copy" of the Tanakh/Torah and still do.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Actually εκ out of or beyond. It needs the preposition. ειγερω doesn't.

I am using the koine Greek, which is the literal language John was written in.

anastasis
ἀνάστασις
resurrection
N-NFS

 

[7thMoon]

You can doubt but in every synagogue and Temple the Toah/Tanakh was there. And even in the 70 AD Temple destruction every synagogue had the "same copy" of the Tanakh/Torah and still do.

After 70 AD, we have proof of the shift in "prophecies" to Bar Kochba in the DSS. He was a son of a star, but he wasn't born of a virgin.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Yeah, I don't see it that way, otherwise Jesus was corrupt in His Human Nature. That isn't possible. The Human Nature is that of a servant, of which Jesus called Himself.

I'm not sure how you could say Jesus was corrupt in to disagreement with what I said

Jesus was also born with the blood of his ancestors that only he could control and atone

He said he felt the anguish of his soul.

 

[7thMoon]

I am using the koine Greek, which is the literal language John was written in.

anastasis
ἀνάστασις
resurrection
N-NFS

So am I.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

After 70 AD, we have proof of the shift in "prophecies" to Bar Kochba in the DSS. He was a son of a star, but he wasn't born of a virgin.

No true Jew reads the Greek.
HaShem gave the Hebrew to Moses.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

So am I.

Rise up and Pop up, which I do not see pop-up listed, mean same thing when considering one is dead and then rises up.

 

[7thMoon]

No true Jew reads the Greek.
HaShem gave the Hebrew to Moses.

Yeah.....? What are you trying to say?