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Hello, Paul, yes, for instance, your stance on how people should stick to what the
Bible actually says, compared to a very recent post where (here <= link) you said,
God is not going to lobotomise us so we cannot remember anything bad. What will happen
is that we will be able to see it from other have perspectives that convert all the evil we
have known into valuable wisdom that we can use to inform our future decisions.
Mind you, that is just one instance where you have gone well beyond what the Bible says...
Bible actually says, compared to a very recent post where (here <= link) you said,
God is not going to lobotomise us so we cannot remember anything bad. What will happen
is that we will be able to see it from other have perspectives that convert all the evil we
have known into valuable wisdom that we can use to inform our future decisions.
Mind you, that is just one instance where you have gone well beyond what the Bible says...
Tell me why Adam died if he had been eating from the Tree of life...
God was setting forth the scenario of what would take place if Adam were able to eat from the tree of life.
Which would have been..... From that point on, he would have been able to keep on eating from that tree.
And, your slant? It would be a lie that Adam could not die if he ate from the Tree....
For if he had been eating from it?
According to your slant, Adam would have never died...
God was setting forth the scenario of what would take place if Adam were able to eat from the tree of life.
Which would have been..... From that point on, he would have been able to keep on eating from that tree.
And, your slant? It would be a lie that Adam could not die if he ate from the Tree....
For if he had been eating from it?
According to your slant, Adam would have never died...
Because God stopped him from eating from the tree of life. He could keep on eating from the tree of Life and remain alive, until he ate from the forbidden tree.Then His access to the tree of life was blocked.
"You cannot get iron filings flying into your eyes while grinding, if you wear these goggles." This does not mean "Wear thes giggles once and you will never get iron filings in your eyes. You s=top wearing them, and your eyes can be injured.
"You cannot get iron filings flying into your eyes while grinding, if you wear these goggles." This does not mean "Wear thes giggles once and you will never get iron filings in your eyes. You s=top wearing them, and your eyes can be injured.
Only if it was determined by God to do so from eternity past... or so the exhaustive divine predeterminist would have it.
Which make me think, why would God, given all the interesting ways he could have filled up time, deliberately determine that all these same arguments be litigated for centuries ad nauseam. Maybe it's not God's plan and he is disappointed that we have been distracted from his actual plans.
Which make me think, why would God, given all the interesting ways he could have filled up time, deliberately determine that all these same arguments be litigated for centuries ad nauseam. Maybe it's not God's plan and he is disappointed that we have been distracted from his actual plans.
Hi Paul, I haven't been on CC in a very long time, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right.
I am of the persuasion that GOD created humans in His image. We are made for him and by him. We are the only creation that was given the ability to CHOOSE what we want to believe/act out. Adam and Eve were created for relationship with one another and Him. From before time, GOD was, and has ALWAYS had a plan and a purpose. NOTHING came into existence that wasn't a part of His plan or that caught him by surprise. ALL things came from Him and will go back into Him. "Religion" has greatly muddied His great Plan. If those who want more of Himself instead of just wanting to quote scriptures, which are taken out of context, then the "argument" is pointless.
I am of the persuasion that GOD created humans in His image. We are made for him and by him. We are the only creation that was given the ability to CHOOSE what we want to believe/act out. Adam and Eve were created for relationship with one another and Him. From before time, GOD was, and has ALWAYS had a plan and a purpose. NOTHING came into existence that wasn't a part of His plan or that caught him by surprise. ALL things came from Him and will go back into Him. "Religion" has greatly muddied His great Plan. If those who want more of Himself instead of just wanting to quote scriptures, which are taken out of context, then the "argument" is pointless.
No logic? Your the one saying the Immortal can die. 
As long as Adam and Eve lived and confomed to the requirements of God, they had access to the tree of life and would not die. But after disobeying, they lost integrity and became liable to increasing corruption, and began to die. Without access to the tree of life, death eventually overcame them.
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Hi, fp. Firstly, it helps to start your response by clicking on the blue reply button. This will automatically add to the top of your post the text you are responding to.
I am with you as far as " I am of the persuasion that GOD created humans in His image. We are made for him and by him. " After that I would need evidence from scripture.
Angels are creations, and can also choose what they want to believe/act out. Lucifer did. Some animals might also be able to do this.
The concept of "before time" is not in the Bible, unless I've missed it.
Yes, God has had a general plan from before creation. I agree.
That nothing came into existence that was not a part of His plan would need evidence from scripture.
That nothing has caught God by surprise is contradicted by some biblical texts.
All the things in the original very good creation came from God. Corona virus was created later, but not by God.
I am with you as far as " I am of the persuasion that GOD created humans in His image. We are made for him and by him. " After that I would need evidence from scripture.
Angels are creations, and can also choose what they want to believe/act out. Lucifer did. Some animals might also be able to do this.
The concept of "before time" is not in the Bible, unless I've missed it.
Yes, God has had a general plan from before creation. I agree.
That nothing came into existence that was not a part of His plan would need evidence from scripture.
That nothing has caught God by surprise is contradicted by some biblical texts.
All the things in the original very good creation came from God. Corona virus was created later, but not by God.
Anyway, when you know the true face of God,You're dead anyway.The words in the Old Testament are no joke.I'm really dead.I have never seen the face of Jesus Christ.So only he can save me.
God led Israel to defeat many Gentiles who believed in other false gods in the Old Testament.(This part is only suitable for the God in the Old Testament to declare his sovereignty,That is to tell the Israelites and the Gentiles that there is only one true God to rely on..)【Many people mistakenly understand it as arbitrary massacre unbelievers,When we have entered the New Testament era.】
The teachings of Jesus Christ,
The Gospel of Matthew
5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
1 Corinthians 13:4
Charity suffereth long【Enduring patience/Patiently endured:】, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,【What I want to ask is whether charity here refers to charity organizations.】
Hebrews 6:15
And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
The Gospel of Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
The Gospel of Matthew
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
The Gospel of Mark
13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Honestly ,If I can't do these teachings,I am really dead.If I really do this,I really died, too.
God led Israel to defeat many Gentiles who believed in other false gods in the Old Testament.(This part is only suitable for the God in the Old Testament to declare his sovereignty,That is to tell the Israelites and the Gentiles that there is only one true God to rely on..)【Many people mistakenly understand it as arbitrary massacre unbelievers,When we have entered the New Testament era.】
The teachings of Jesus Christ,
The Gospel of Matthew
5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
1 Corinthians 13:4
Charity suffereth long【Enduring patience/Patiently endured:】, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,【What I want to ask is whether charity here refers to charity organizations.】
Hebrews 6:15
And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
The Gospel of Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
The Gospel of Matthew
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
The Gospel of Mark
13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Honestly ,If I can't do these teachings,I am really dead.If I really do this,I really died, too.