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One out of every three Jews globally were killed in the holocaust. The amillennial European Churches were virtually silent.
Zechariah tells us the Antichrist and his willing cohorts will kill 2 out of every three Jews.
Not hard to see how fast we approaching that time. Will the Amil Churches and followers of this bankrupt interpretation of Scripture repeat their dreadful error again?
Listen Amils who you are aligning with:
https://x.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1777076058694553727
Zechariah tells us the Antichrist and his willing cohorts will kill 2 out of every three Jews.
Not hard to see how fast we approaching that time. Will the Amil Churches and followers of this bankrupt interpretation of Scripture repeat their dreadful error again?
Listen Amils who you are aligning with:
https://x.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/1777076058694553727
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Sure. No, no formal training in international relations. Just a student. Nehemiah mentioned earlier in this thread that I shouldn't subscribe to mainstream media. And to that I agree but only in part. There are always pieces of the truth everywhere if we first understand the perspective folks are coming from; the slant. So I take it all in and then do my research. I rarely just take anyone's word for anything given that I believe satan has since fallen when Messiah ascended and that he deceives the whole world.
Everything I research is led by what scripture says no matter how much my eyes want what I see to be true.
Everything I research is led by what scripture says no matter how much my eyes want what I see to be true.
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Israel was not interested in a solution, if one reads about the negotiations and why they fell apart they always held onto to something they knew would be a deal breaker.
If you read about the Nakba the plan has always been to take over all the land and slowly ethnically cleanse and kill the remaining inhabitants.
So to map out a peace plan when one party has a different objective is rather futile don't you think?
Now Israel did have a more moderate leader at one point and a two state solution was a possibility but he was killed.
If you read about the Nakba the plan has always been to take over all the land and slowly ethnically cleanse and kill the remaining inhabitants.
So to map out a peace plan when one party has a different objective is rather futile don't you think?
Now Israel did have a more moderate leader at one point and a two state solution was a possibility but he was killed.
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Oh well I figured a "like" was similar lol, or at least I feel it bends in that direction. I had no problem with sharing why I liked the post or any post. I like to share my pov when I can. And no animosity towards anyone here, especially you, as I know you know. I just took it as a reason to post more info.
...I do need to get better with post length though.
...I do need to get better with post length though.
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I do tend to keep my posts short, and some for one reason or another don't like it.
And it never fails to amaze me that I can say, ABC, and someone will inevitably ask,
do you mean XYZ? Even those who claim not to twist what others say, twist direct
and straightforward meanings to something that more resembles the opposite.
They speak through their prejudices and preconceived ideas more than anything.
And it never fails to amaze me that I can say, ABC, and someone will inevitably ask,
do you mean XYZ? Even those who claim not to twist what others say, twist direct
and straightforward meanings to something that more resembles the opposite.
They speak through their prejudices and preconceived ideas more than anything.
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I think if we want to avoid calamity maybe best to abandon the Monroe doctrine, seems to me a lot of conflicts in the world can be laid at its feet.
So if I am going to refer to conservative influencers for direction I will go with Tucker Carlson and maybe Candace Owens, Liz Wheeler well she tries, lol
So if I am going to refer to conservative influencers for direction I will go with Tucker Carlson and maybe Candace Owens, Liz Wheeler well she tries, lol
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Jews and Muslims already live peacefully together. So it's not a problem of ideology. It's a matter of the will. Plus there were all kinds of peace deals between Israel and Muslim nations under Trump. And, in my opinion, the peace deal with Saudi Arabia is the reason was the whole reason the ceasefire was breached. There was peace breaking out all over the place.
While I believe there are those in Israel who aren't interested in a solution, I don't believe that is true of the majority. But as long as one side believes the solution is the annihilation of the other side, the only solution is to take out one side or the other.
While I believe there are those in Israel who aren't interested in a solution, I don't believe that is true of the majority. But as long as one side believes the solution is the annihilation of the other side, the only solution is to take out one side or the other.
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He promised that He'd bring them back to their own land and will help them realize who Jesus is to repent and finally acknowledge Him as the Messiah. So just because they rejected Jesus before doesn't mean He's finished with them. God will help them. Didn't God help you come to Himself and learn from Him? Don't you appreciate that He did not give up on you? So why not with the Jews? Why only for you?
You're also asking me what I'm seeing. But it's not important what I see, What's important is what God sees. If He thinks of and sees them as Jews of the promise, then they're the Jews of the promise. It's His call and none of ours. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or sees.
The way I see, there's no point in hating the Jews. God has chosen to bring them back to their land and said that it will never be taken away from them again no matter how large the opposition gets. I mean how are you going to prevent God from bringing to pass all the good things He wants to do for Israel? You won't be able to, even as a unified front.
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The ideology of the Palestinian government is the right to self-determination, the ideology of the Israelis government is to have all the land.
So yes, I do see this as a clash of ideology and agree that the other nations have normalized relations because it has been mutually beneficial.
Agree that the peace deal with Saudis Arabia did play a role.
I think that history has shown, especially if one looks at other conflicts like Northern Ireland, that when the right of self determination is negotiated, a real self-determination there is a chance for relations to normalize, not a pseudo-self determination where sure you can have a government but we will control your water, electricity, your ports and your food supply
Gaza has been an occupied territory since 1967 and under oppression since 2007.
And btw they have updated their Charter, it no longer calls for the annihilation of Israel.
I would say yes Israel is taking the other side out.
So yes, I do see this as a clash of ideology and agree that the other nations have normalized relations because it has been mutually beneficial.
Agree that the peace deal with Saudis Arabia did play a role.
I think that history has shown, especially if one looks at other conflicts like Northern Ireland, that when the right of self determination is negotiated, a real self-determination there is a chance for relations to normalize, not a pseudo-self determination where sure you can have a government but we will control your water, electricity, your ports and your food supply
Gaza has been an occupied territory since 1967 and under oppression since 2007.
And btw they have updated their Charter, it no longer calls for the annihilation of Israel.
I would say yes Israel is taking the other side out.
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I know both of them,Only when they all choose to believe in Jesus Christ.
But there is one thing to declare.Since God chose Israel,God's chosen people.Israel has a higher responsibility than any other race to inherit the will and word of God.But they didn't until now.
Since you quoted Talmud,
I want to quote the Koran here.I don't remember the exact chapter.The general content is Muslims have the right to resist all aggression in their own land.But could not beyond this right.I don't know if this includes the land that Israel obtained from the UN resolution.(What I want to say is, which one sounds more reasonable?)
Everything in Talmud is not necessarily a bad thing.Because if I remember correctly,The Bible says that the whole family of Israel will be saved.
Proverbs.
20:10 Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD.
20:23 Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance is not good.
If a Jew practices according to Talmud, he can be saved , Then I have reason to believe that no one in this world can't be saved.
But these are not the point here.The point is when will the Jews change their minds?When can they cry and change their minds?
When can Jews praise Christians who come to the promised land in the name of the Lord?
The Gospel of Luke 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 4:13
Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
The Book of Hosea
13:9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.
13:10 I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?
13:11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.
The Israeli people protested and called for Netanyahu to step down.
But there is one thing to declare.Since God chose Israel,God's chosen people.Israel has a higher responsibility than any other race to inherit the will and word of God.But they didn't until now.
Since you quoted Talmud,
I want to quote the Koran here.I don't remember the exact chapter.The general content is Muslims have the right to resist all aggression in their own land.But could not beyond this right.I don't know if this includes the land that Israel obtained from the UN resolution.(What I want to say is, which one sounds more reasonable?)
Everything in Talmud is not necessarily a bad thing.Because if I remember correctly,The Bible says that the whole family of Israel will be saved.
Proverbs.
20:10 Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD.
20:23 Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance is not good.
If a Jew practices according to Talmud, he can be saved , Then I have reason to believe that no one in this world can't be saved.
But these are not the point here.The point is when will the Jews change their minds?When can they cry and change their minds?
When can Jews praise Christians who come to the promised land in the name of the Lord?
The Gospel of Luke 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 4:13
Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
The Book of Hosea
13:9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.
13:10 I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?
13:11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.
The Israeli people protested and called for Netanyahu to step down.
Yes, He did promise...but not in that order. He is clear on what has to happen.
Here's one of the first, if not the first, times the promise is made:
Deuteronomy 30:1-5
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
To Summarize:
1) They receive the blessings = The Ancient Kingdom of Israel
2) They receive the curses = scattered among the nations
3) They remember ^these things while scattered among the nations^
4) They obey The Almighty according to all that is commanded with all their hearts
5) The Almighty regathers them from the nations and brings them back to the land
There is a condition The Almighty laid out for regathering them, and that is obeying all that was commanded, while scattered. While scattered. And yet...
- Tel Aviv is one of the LGBT capitals of the world
- They kill innocent women and children long before October 7th, an abomination to God
- Most of them are Atheists so no obedience to commandments
- They don't believe in the Messiah and openly mock Him
This is why I say either God's word is void and doesn't matter anymore or they are not the people and so aren't held to any convenant. Those are the only choices we have here. Scripture is clear.
Indeed. But are you sure you're not just using your eyes and then claiming it's His eyes? I ask because the passage I reference above is clear on the order of events. They repent and obey the commandments in the nations they were scattered in, with all their hearts, AND THEN He regathers them Himself during the second coming as prophesied in several passages including Matthew 24:30 and Isaiah 11:
Please see my post here: https://christianchat.com/threads/the-hatred-of-jews.214439/post-5276538
Isaiah 11:10-14 gives the areas where The northern house will be gathered from, where the southern house will be regathered from, how they all will return into the land, and who will already be in the land when He gets there.
- The Messiah hasn't returned
- Most of those who are currently in the land came from Europe
- Meanwhile, Messiah gathers his people from nations that the world will claim are not Israel right now
- Edom will already be in the land when Messiah comes
...so we must conclude that the regathering of Israel hasn't happened yet.
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Next, Ezekiel 35 & 36 share with us who The Almighty sees as claiming the land as theirs while His people are still scattered among the nations:
Ezekiel 35:2-3,10,13
2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.
10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the Lord was there:
13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
Ezekiel 36:5
Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.
To Summarize:
- Mt. Seir is Edom
- Edom has hate in their hearts
- Edom claims the land as its possession while Israel is scattered
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Finally, these are quotes from the Jewish encyclopedia:
"EDOM IS IN MODERN JEWRY." The Jewish Ency. 1925 Ed., Vol. 5, Pg. 41.
“from then on [Edomites] constituted a part of the jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants”, - The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, 1966 Doubleday & Company, Inc , Garden City, New York, Pg. 592.
They [the non-Israelite Edomites] were then incorporated with the Jewish nation…. "EDOM, IDUMEA," - The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York & London: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1904) Vol. V, p. 41
…they [the Edomites] were hereafter no other than [non-Israelite] Jews. - Flavius Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews (Grand Rapids, MI: Dregel Publications, 1960) Book XIII, Chapter IX, Verse 1, p. 279
Here's one of the first, if not the first, times the promise is made:
Deuteronomy 30:1-5
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
To Summarize:
1) They receive the blessings = The Ancient Kingdom of Israel
2) They receive the curses = scattered among the nations
3) They remember ^these things while scattered among the nations^
4) They obey The Almighty according to all that is commanded with all their hearts
5) The Almighty regathers them from the nations and brings them back to the land
There is a condition The Almighty laid out for regathering them, and that is obeying all that was commanded, while scattered. While scattered. And yet...
- Tel Aviv is one of the LGBT capitals of the world
- They kill innocent women and children long before October 7th, an abomination to God
- Most of them are Atheists so no obedience to commandments
- They don't believe in the Messiah and openly mock Him
This is why I say either God's word is void and doesn't matter anymore or they are not the people and so aren't held to any convenant. Those are the only choices we have here. Scripture is clear.
Indeed. But are you sure you're not just using your eyes and then claiming it's His eyes? I ask because the passage I reference above is clear on the order of events. They repent and obey the commandments in the nations they were scattered in, with all their hearts, AND THEN He regathers them Himself during the second coming as prophesied in several passages including Matthew 24:30 and Isaiah 11:
Please see my post here: https://christianchat.com/threads/the-hatred-of-jews.214439/post-5276538
Isaiah 11:10-14 gives the areas where The northern house will be gathered from, where the southern house will be regathered from, how they all will return into the land, and who will already be in the land when He gets there.
- The Messiah hasn't returned
- Most of those who are currently in the land came from Europe
- Meanwhile, Messiah gathers his people from nations that the world will claim are not Israel right now
- Edom will already be in the land when Messiah comes
...so we must conclude that the regathering of Israel hasn't happened yet.
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Next, Ezekiel 35 & 36 share with us who The Almighty sees as claiming the land as theirs while His people are still scattered among the nations:
Ezekiel 35:2-3,10,13
2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,
3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.
10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the Lord was there:
13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
Ezekiel 36:5
Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.
To Summarize:
- Mt. Seir is Edom
- Edom has hate in their hearts
- Edom claims the land as its possession while Israel is scattered
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Finally, these are quotes from the Jewish encyclopedia:
"EDOM IS IN MODERN JEWRY." The Jewish Ency. 1925 Ed., Vol. 5, Pg. 41.
“from then on [Edomites] constituted a part of the jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants”, - The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, 1966 Doubleday & Company, Inc , Garden City, New York, Pg. 592.
They [the non-Israelite Edomites] were then incorporated with the Jewish nation…. "EDOM, IDUMEA," - The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York & London: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1904) Vol. V, p. 41
…they [the Edomites] were hereafter no other than [non-Israelite] Jews. - Flavius Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews (Grand Rapids, MI: Dregel Publications, 1960) Book XIII, Chapter IX, Verse 1, p. 279
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Since it is unlikely @HeIsHere has any formal training in international relations, should anyone take
anything they say seriously? Or should it all be scoffed at, as that is the basis they use to scoff at others?
No doubt they will hate me all the more for pointing out their hateful, hypocritical attitude. C'est la vie.
anything they say seriously? Or should it all be scoffed at, as that is the basis they use to scoff at others?
No doubt they will hate me all the more for pointing out their hateful, hypocritical attitude. C'est la vie.
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Onkelos then went and raised Balaam from the grave through necromancy. He said to him: Who is most important in that world where you are now? Balaam said to him: The Jewish people. Onkelos asked him: Should I then attach myself to them here in this world? Balaam said to him: You shall not seek their peace or their welfare all the days (see Deuteronomy 23:7). Onkelos said to him: What is the punishment of that man, a euphemism for Balaam himself, in the next world? Balaam said to him: He is cooked in boiling semen, as he caused Israel to engage in licentious behavior with the daughters of Moab.
International Law is a farce and a joke. If it had any reality, every terrorists would be arrested and executed. Terrorism is more than unlawful, so where are the people who should be dealing with it?
No Israel is not the one to be blamed (although recently the IDF has made some serious blunders which should never have happened). Once again, all other factors have no relevance (as I already told you). October 7 was an UNPROVOKED attack and now Israel must deal with Hamas (and then Iran). And since Hamas declared war on Israel, and uses Palestinian civilians and children as human shields, the innocent will perish for nothing. Hamas steals food from Palestinians receiving food aid. How much worse can it get?
Shia Iran hates Israel therefore it sabotaged the peace negotiations which Israel was having with Sunni Saudi Arabia (possibly other Sunni Arab countries later so that war could be avoided). Therefore Iran trained, funded, armed and encouraged Hamas to wage all out war against Israel. These facts conveniently get neglected, since now the whole world is pro-terrorists and anti-Israel.
No Israel is not the one to be blamed (although recently the IDF has made some serious blunders which should never have happened). Once again, all other factors have no relevance (as I already told you). October 7 was an UNPROVOKED attack and now Israel must deal with Hamas (and then Iran). And since Hamas declared war on Israel, and uses Palestinian civilians and children as human shields, the innocent will perish for nothing. Hamas steals food from Palestinians receiving food aid. How much worse can it get?
Shia Iran hates Israel therefore it sabotaged the peace negotiations which Israel was having with Sunni Saudi Arabia (possibly other Sunni Arab countries later so that war could be avoided). Therefore Iran trained, funded, armed and encouraged Hamas to wage all out war against Israel. These facts conveniently get neglected, since now the whole world is pro-terrorists and anti-Israel.
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