Predestination is misunderstood...
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Yes, you are correct!
There are only 2 choices…
the path of Life which is in Christ alone. Those that choose Jesus Christ and believe in Him for salvation are predestined to receive eternal Life in Jesus Christ.
Those that reject Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King by denying and not believing in God’s power of His Blood and Body to save… they are choosing the path that is predestined to end in Death, eternal death.
It is God’s Will that all choose the path of Life but, the choice is ours to make.
God said, “I set before you Life and Death, choose Life.”
With our free will, we make our choice.
There are only 2 choices…
the path of Life which is in Christ alone. Those that choose Jesus Christ and believe in Him for salvation are predestined to receive eternal Life in Jesus Christ.
Those that reject Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King by denying and not believing in God’s power of His Blood and Body to save… they are choosing the path that is predestined to end in Death, eternal death.
It is God’s Will that all choose the path of Life but, the choice is ours to make.
God said, “I set before you Life and Death, choose Life.”
With our free will, we make our choice.
This is how I understand the Bride of Christ…
ALL Believers in Jesus Christ are eternally saved, however, not all Believers are the Bride of Christ.
God the Father is choosing a Bride for His Son out of all the Believers.
I believe the 7 letters to the 7 churches are written to the Bride… she MUST overcome.
Much like Navy Seals have to overcome and go through more intense training and equipping than others in the Navy… all are Navy but not all are Navy Seals.
ALL Believers in Jesus Christ are eternally saved, however, not all Believers are the Bride of Christ.
God the Father is choosing a Bride for His Son out of all the Believers.
I believe the 7 letters to the 7 churches are written to the Bride… she MUST overcome.
Much like Navy Seals have to overcome and go through more intense training and equipping than others in the Navy… all are Navy but not all are Navy Seals.
Don't you see God enables man to see Him without making him alive by means of His grace? (Rom.1:19) The Gospel deals with right and wrong at it's most basic level so man can understand the Gospel. You don't have to be spiritually alive to know murder, lying and stealing is wrong. You don't need to be spiritually alive to know such actions require punishment, nor do you need to be spiritually alive to know when someone else steps up to bat for you.
Man is a moral creature as well as a spiritual creature. While our core problem is a spiritual issue, God has no trouble using moral issues to speak to man and get him to understand his need of God.
We learn the spiritual significance of the Cross after we are born again.
Man is a moral creature as well as a spiritual creature. While our core problem is a spiritual issue, God has no trouble using moral issues to speak to man and get him to understand his need of God.
We learn the spiritual significance of the Cross after we are born again.
It's meaning is summed up in verse 40.
John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
The Father reveals the Son by means of grace and people are believers or they are not. The Son separates the believers from the unbelievers in this world.
John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
The Father reveals the Son by means of grace and people are believers or they are not. The Son separates the believers from the unbelievers in this world.
It seems to me one of the problems is that people think the Cross saves us. It doesn't, leastwise not directly. It deals with the issue of sin which is what prevented God from saving us. He cannot overlook unrighteousness or He would compromise His justice. Once Christ paid the price for our sin, God was free to deal with us according to our positive or negative response on the basis of Justice. This is why Christ could die for all people even though all people are not saved. No longer are people condemned on the basis of Adam's sin but now on the basis of their own unbelief. And before anyone jumps up and wants to say I must mean then we are saved on the basis of our believing, forget it. It is God's determination to save those who believe and is the reason we are saved.
It's 2 different things. One is actual. We are dead in our trespasses and sins. The other is symbolic. We don't actually die. We merely express our association with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
One is definitely dead before salvation. Otherwise, why would they need to be quickened?
One is definitely dead before salvation. Otherwise, why would they need to be quickened?
this has nothing to do about bathing but that God is just in His righteous judgement against all evil everywhere and the urgency for men to not interpret His patience against evil as being in anyway a sign of Him not caring about justice which many today fail to learn.
Ecc 8:11 Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
Ecc 8:11 Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
all people are born under the curse already handed over to be the devil's children, bearing his evil image in their slavery to sin and Satan which is why the unrighteousness of men demonstrates the righteousness of God (Rom 3:5) in justly handing them over to the evil that they love to their greater condemnation to store wrath for the day of wrath (Rom 2:5).
Rom 1:24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Rom 1:24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
