Predestination is misunderstood...
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You are not understanding how, or when, eternal salvation came to those that have it.
The promise of eternal salvation was accomplished, by Christ's sacrifice on the cross, for all of those that his Father gave him, which was not all of mankind. (John 6:37-40).
Christ's sacrifice was to redeem all of those that his Father gave him, and his sacrifice was for God's acceptance, and not to mankind for their acceptance.
Christ said "it is finished, and there would no more sacrifices for sins"
Those that Christ died for on the cross are God's sheep, and are the only ones that can hear his voice and believe (John 10:26-29)
can you tell me of your understanding of this scripture you posted.
Romans 3:12...there is none that doeth good, no, not one...
Luke 18:19...none is good, save one, that is, God.
Remember you said you don't get offended by people's posts.
May I ask your understanding of the this verse you posted.
A word of understanding 🙂
Romans 3:12...there is none that doeth good, no, not one...
Luke 18:19...none is good, save one, that is, God.
Remember you said you don't get offended by people's posts.
May I ask your understanding of the this verse you posted.
A word of understanding 🙂
This is where you are incorrect. The mind and heart, both aspects of the soul, are not corrupt because the soul is created by God. They become corrupted because they are locked into the corruption of the flesh and the soul sucks up the worlds ideas mostly due to ignorance being spiritually dead but they do not lose their ability to function anymore than a cheetah loses the function to run fast when you put him in a cage. That corruption takes time and only completely overcomes a man if he constantly rejects God's drawing. God has never forsaken man. The only truly forsaken one was Christ on the Cross for the time He bore our sin.
The doctrine of Total Depravity can only apply if God turned his back on man (which He never has) and is given time to take hold. Man is not born totally depraved, he can only potentially become that way. Hence, the lake of fire is applied to man as well to separate those who love the darkness from those who don't.
Man is wrong but that doesn't necessarily make him evil. Unfortunately the doctrine of TD claims he is born evil which isn't true.
The doctrine of Total Depravity can only apply if God turned his back on man (which He never has) and is given time to take hold. Man is not born totally depraved, he can only potentially become that way. Hence, the lake of fire is applied to man as well to separate those who love the darkness from those who don't.
Man is wrong but that doesn't necessarily make him evil. Unfortunately the doctrine of TD claims he is born evil which isn't true.
I do understand because I see the world as comprising two types of people, believers and unbelievers. There are many believers out there in the world who don't know they are believers yet. I didn't know I was one until my mid thirties.
The difference, as far as I can see between you and I, is you think God has to "hit some switch" in you before you can believe. While I agree God must initiate the process and reveal the truth and muzzle the sin nature in the flesh, I disagree man cannot agree or disagree with God's truth when revealed of his own free will. It is the flesh that is anti-God, not the soul. It is the body that instinctively seeks to preserve itself which is why it cannot serve God. If the soul were of the same ilk, it would be impossible to save the soul, it would have to be destroyed and remade. That process would effectively obliterate us and we would no longer exist.
Christ died for all sin. If He had not? Then unbelievers would be justified in their rejection of Him. It is because He died for all that God is justified in revealing the truth even to the reprobate without compromising His righteousness.
The difference, as far as I can see between you and I, is you think God has to "hit some switch" in you before you can believe. While I agree God must initiate the process and reveal the truth and muzzle the sin nature in the flesh, I disagree man cannot agree or disagree with God's truth when revealed of his own free will. It is the flesh that is anti-God, not the soul. It is the body that instinctively seeks to preserve itself which is why it cannot serve God. If the soul were of the same ilk, it would be impossible to save the soul, it would have to be destroyed and remade. That process would effectively obliterate us and we would no longer exist.
Christ died for all sin. If He had not? Then unbelievers would be justified in their rejection of Him. It is because He died for all that God is justified in revealing the truth even to the reprobate without compromising His righteousness.
You were not careful in reading what he said...
What I believe he was alluding to (human nature conscious) what we call the human soul .
The human soul was created with the ability to know right and wrong.
Yet the soul when first made alive was not yet aware of such a thing as right and wrong.
Before Adam fell while living in the yet unfallen world Adam simply had no need to discern between right and wrong.
Just the same, once he was fallen, Adam's soul was instantly able to know right from wrong.
Baby eagles do not fly right after hatched. They were born to fly, but were not flying when first made alive.
Likewise, God created the human soul to be able to know right from wrong without needing to discern right from wrong.
Even when told not to eat from the tree the concept of right and wrong was not yet in Adam's frame of reference.
It was to be simply a matter of obedience motivated by love.
Adam in the Garden did not know he had this ability to know right from wrong.
Not until the Lord threw man out of his nest did man had to switch to thinking in terms of "right and wrong."
- Knowing Good and evil.
The soul was created to know right from wrong.
But, created initially without the need to be knowing right from wrong.
In contrast.
Man was not created by God to sin. But, created with a volition that allowed for a choice to sin.
Our sin nature defect is like how human brain cells die when cut off from oxygen and causing brain damage.
The resultant brain damage causes a malfunction in our physical function.
Grace is God's "treatment for the disease" (but, not the cure) for keeping our spiritual brain damage in check.
God's grace-enabling power is given to man by God to enable fallen man to live righteously when he is functioning
in the filling of the Spirit and while thinking with sound doctrine.
Grace is not a feeling of unmerited approval God has for us.
Its an actual power to enable us to function in a manner that God approves of.
Grace is God's provision for battle .....
grace and peace .................
What I believe he was alluding to (human nature conscious) what we call the human soul .
The human soul was created with the ability to know right and wrong.
Yet the soul when first made alive was not yet aware of such a thing as right and wrong.
Before Adam fell while living in the yet unfallen world Adam simply had no need to discern between right and wrong.
Just the same, once he was fallen, Adam's soul was instantly able to know right from wrong.
Baby eagles do not fly right after hatched. They were born to fly, but were not flying when first made alive.
Likewise, God created the human soul to be able to know right from wrong without needing to discern right from wrong.
Even when told not to eat from the tree the concept of right and wrong was not yet in Adam's frame of reference.
It was to be simply a matter of obedience motivated by love.
Adam in the Garden did not know he had this ability to know right from wrong.
Not until the Lord threw man out of his nest did man had to switch to thinking in terms of "right and wrong."
- Knowing Good and evil.
The soul was created to know right from wrong.
But, created initially without the need to be knowing right from wrong.
In contrast.
Man was not created by God to sin. But, created with a volition that allowed for a choice to sin.
Our sin nature defect is like how human brain cells die when cut off from oxygen and causing brain damage.
The resultant brain damage causes a malfunction in our physical function.
Grace is God's "treatment for the disease" (but, not the cure) for keeping our spiritual brain damage in check.
God's grace-enabling power is given to man by God to enable fallen man to live righteously when he is functioning
in the filling of the Spirit and while thinking with sound doctrine.
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”
Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may
rest on me." 2 Corinthians 12:9
Grace is not a feeling of unmerited approval God has for us.
Its an actual power to enable us to function in a manner that God approves of.
Grace is God's provision for battle .....
grace and peace .................
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After the fall man had a nature that was unable to be good, because the flesh dominates over the soul.
The flesh is the source of our depravity....
If God placed believers souls inside sinless bodies?
The total depravity of man would become a thing of the past.
The soul became a slave to the flesh.
Grace and truth liberates the soul from the depravity of the fallen flesh....
grace and peace .................
The flesh is the source of our depravity....
If God placed believers souls inside sinless bodies?
The total depravity of man would become a thing of the past.
The soul became a slave to the flesh.
Grace and truth liberates the soul from the depravity of the fallen flesh....
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him,
“If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
and you will know the truth, and the truth will set
you free.” John 8:31-32
grace and peace .................