How do we explain these pro slavery verses in scripture?

[Cameron143]

All your posts preclude that God is subject to you and/or must meet with your understanding. You do not start with the premise that God is sovereign and answerable to no one.
Second, you do not account for the fact that God's ways are not your ways nor your thoughts capable of understanding His thoughts.
Third, you assume what is written is a reflection of God and not presented in a greater narrative. You assume that all that is presented is all there is to be known.
Lastly, the Bible isn't inclusive of all there is to be known and its focus is the redemption of fallen man in Christ. Everything recorded is to this end. And it is written in such a fashion that it must be searched out to be further understood. It is also written in such a manner as the natural estate of man's mind will not discover its truths. There must be a spiritual aspect of man restored to him for man to possess its meaning. There must also be given revelation by God Himself in the form of understanding and wisdom.
So while a natural man would inevitably draw the conclusions you have come to, a saved person grows in their understanding of God through revelation and through understanding that is unavailable to you. While I can never convince you of what I have just shared, I do hope God will do this for you some day.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

If it were legal, and you had an opportunity to own some slaves, would you do it?

Many people in the OT did, were they wrong?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

So we’re getting our morality and such from a book that can’t even be clear about slavery???

I don't know where YOU are getting your morality, but mine comes from God who is perfect and does no wrong. If you don't believe in Him you're in the wrong place. Maybe you need to dig a little deeper because the Word is not wrong and God is the one morals come from.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I have a lot of understanding on this issue. My questions are my input. It may not be the input you want, but it is input. Questions help clarify where someone is coming from.

If you have understanding, share it. That's the way a discussion goes. Otherwise it's a one way conversation.

 

[NightTwister]

"Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death." Exodus 21:16 ESV
Man stealing has always been sinful. Slavery in the U.S. was based solely on man stealing.

 

[Off123123123]

All your posts preclude that God is subject to you and/or must meet with your understanding. You do not start with the premise that God is sovereign and answerable to no one.
Second, you do not account for the fact that God's ways are not your ways nor your thoughts capable of understanding His thoughts.
Third, you assume what is written is a reflection of God and not presented in a greater narrative. You assume that all that is presented is all there is to be known.
Lastly, the Bible isn't inclusive of all there is to be known and its focus is the redemption of fallen man in Christ. Everything recorded is to this end. And it is written in such a fashion that it must be searched out to be further understood. It is also written in such a manner as the natural estate of man's mind will not discover its truths. There must be a spiritual aspect of man restored to him for man to possess its meaning. There must also be given revelation by God Himself in the form of understanding and wisdom.
So while a natural man would inevitably draw the conclusions you have come to, a saved person grows in their understanding of God through revelation and through understanding that is unavailable to you. While I can never convince you of what I have just shared, I do hope God will do this for you some day.

Yeah that‘s what slave owners used to say to their slaves….Soooo.

 

[Off123123123]

"Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death." Exodus 21:16 ESV
Man stealing has always been sinful. Slavery in the U.S. was based solely on man stealing.

Yeah taking someone’s property and selling it. I’ve posted plenty of verses where God shows how to take people as slaves.

 

[Eli1]

Yeah taking someone’s property and selling it. I’ve posted plenty of verses where God shows how to take people as slaves.

Okay, so what is your conclusion here?

 

[NightTwister]

Yeah taking someone’s property and selling it. I’ve posted plenty of verses where God shows how to take people as slaves.

I wasn't replying to you. I know a moby when I see one.

 

[Cameron143]

Yeah that‘s what slave owners used to say to their slaves….Soooo.

Really? Name one that said this.

 

[Off123123123]

Really? Name one that said this.

I wasn’t as precise as I should have been.

A slave owner could have said to their slaves who objected to being a slave, that who is the slave to question slavery, since God condoned it.

 

[Off123123123]

I don't know where YOU are getting your morality, but mine comes from God who is perfect and does no wrong. If you don't believe in Him you're in the wrong place. Maybe you need to dig a little deeper because the Word is not wrong and God is the one morals come from.

So you’re getting your morality from a book that . . .

*Has God telling how to sell your daughter as a slave to a master. Ex 21:7-8

*Has God saying a slave owner can keep a woman slave and her children if the husband slave departs. Ex 21:4

*Has a God telling priests they can buy slaves as property. Lev 22:11

*Has a God saying you can buy male and female slaves as property and pass them off as inheritance. Lev 22:44-46

*Has a guy saying women and children can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 20:12-14

*Has a God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 21:10-14

*Has a God who says virgin women can be taken as spoils of war. Numbers 31:18

*God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Num 31:32-35

 

[Off123123123]

All your posts preclude that God is subject to you and/or must meet with your understanding. You do not start with the premise that God is sovereign and answerable to no one.
S.

That type of thought stopping device is used by many religions, so their terrible values can stand beyond question.

 

[Off123123123]

If you have understanding, share it. That's the way a discussion goes. Otherwise it's a one way conversation.

Things the Bible doesn’t just describe people DOING, but has God describing HOW to do it.


*Has God telling how to sell your daughter as a slave to a master. Ex 21:7-8

*Has God saying a slave owner can keep a woman slave and her children if the husband slave departs. Ex 21:4

*Has a God telling priests they can buy slaves as property. Lev 22:11

*Has a God saying you can buy male and female slaves as property and pass them off as inheritance. Lev 22:44-46

*Has a guy saying women and children can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 20:12-14

*Has a God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 21:10-14

*Has a God who says virgin women can be taken as spoils of war. Numbers 31:18

*God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Num 31:32-35

 

[Cameron143]

I wasn’t as precise as I should have been.

A slave owner could have said to their slaves who objected to being a slave, that who is the slave to question slavery, since God condoned it.

I agree. And no doubt wicked people have used the Bible erroneously to defend slavery as well as other evil practices. But to do so, they must corrupt and pervert the truth and intentions of God.
I hardly understand why God allows certain things to be and occur. But if you are going to accept as the basis for a premise what the Bible says, to be consistent you would need to also accept what it says about God Himself.

 

[Off123123123]

I agree. And no doubt wicked people have used the Bible erroneously to defend slavery as well as other evil practices. But to do so, they must corrupt and pervert the truth and intentions of God.
I hardly understand why God allows certain things to be and occur. But if you are going to accept as the basis for a premise what the Bible says, to be consistent you would need to also accept what it says about God Himself.

That’s not correct. Your ideas about slavery and freedom originated from outside of scripture, not in scripture. Scripture defends and promotes it.

*Has God telling how to sell your daughter as a slave to a master. Ex 21:7-8

*Has God saying a slave owner can keep a woman slave and her children if the husband slave departs. Ex 21:4

*Has a God telling priests they can buy slaves as property. Lev 22:11

*Has a God saying you can buy male and female slaves as property and pass them off as inheritance. Lev 22:44-46

*Has a guy saying women and children can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 20:12-14

*Has a God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 21:10-14

*Has a God who says virgin women can be taken as spoils of war. Numbers 31:18

*God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Num 31:32-35

¥ou’re confusing modern ideas about slavery with what the scripture actually says. We want to think all of our good ideas are in scripture, but anti-slavery isn’t.

 

[Cameron143]

That type of thought stopping device is used by many religions, so their terrible values can stand beyond question.

Wasn't my point to squelch thought but provide perspective. While what you write is true, it isn't of necessity true.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

I don't know where YOU are getting your morality, but mine comes from God who is perfect and does no wrong. If you don't believe in Him you're in the wrong place. Maybe you need to dig a little deeper because the Word is not wrong and God is the one morals come from.

The Bible doesn't concern itself with "Morals" which are nothing more than the prevailing SOCIAL OPINION about what's good, and what isn't. And "Morals" change with the tides, and the phases of the moon.

The Bible deals in Righteousness, and SIN.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

So you’re getting your morality from a book that . . .

*Has God telling how to sell your daughter as a slave to a master. Ex 21:7-8

*Has God saying a slave owner can keep a woman slave and her children if the husband slave departs. Ex 21:4

*Has a God telling priests they can buy slaves as property. Lev 22:11

*Has a God saying you can buy male and female slaves as property and pass them off as inheritance. Lev 22:44-46

*Has a guy saying women and children can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 20:12-14

*Has a God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Deut 21:10-14

*Has a God who says virgin women can be taken as spoils of war. Numbers 31:18

*God who says women can be taken as spoils of war. Num 31:32-35

Ok, can you bear with me and we will take them one by one. It may take some time. Right now hubby and I are trying to figure out a new fryer, ( didn't like the air fryer). So if you don't mind me taking some time I'd like to try and answer these.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The Bible doesn't concern itself with "Morals" which are nothing more than the prevailing SOCIAL OPINION about what's good, and what isn't. And "Morals" change with the tides, and the phases of the moon.

The Bible deals in Righteousness, and SIN.

Yes, but people would call that morals. That wouldn't understand our Christian speak/terms.